hawkwind @ hawkwind @lemmy.management

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I'm not convinced either one of us knows what the software is SUPPOSED to do, and I am pretty sure nobody knows what it's actually doing. Here's another thread: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3163

There is some discussion. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2947

I am still fairly confident that it shouldn't be storing images, but I'll admit my pict-rs directory is growing quite fast compared to the database. Have to keep a close eye on this.

Thanks! I'm sure you'll chime in when the lemmyverse falls over because of this irresponsible script.

Your argument does not gain validity by adding irrelevant verbosity:

Federation ain’t doing great.

The linked issue has nothing to do with this script or lemmony.

Federated replication load scales with the number of instances multiplied by the number of communities they subscribe to.

That's a hasty generalization that you just made up.

Server counts are growing at ~10x per month.

That's great! I hope they keep growing!

The defaults of this script encourage single-user instances admins to bump their sub count ~70x from something like 100 communities to something more like 7000 communities.

Nobody is encouraging anyone to do anything.

Users of this script actually literally don’t understand how federation works. They think they’re proxying through to the upstream instance while they browse rather than getting firehosed with the entire lemmyverse by they’re asleep.

That single user asked a question and got berated by a jerk.

It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to figure out that global federation worker queues are not in great shape, or that a default that encourages single-user instance owners who have no idea what they’re doing to bump their sub count 70x isn’t helping the situation. If you think this is in my head I can’t help you. But I can help others understand that running this script with default settings is an awful and unnecessary idea.

You can help others understand what it is. That's a great thing to do. It would be nice if you could do that without being a dick.

I don't really think so, but i'm open to working with anyone if they see this happening, up to deleting the entire project.

My dude, I appreciate your spirit, but we're not going to focus on your irrational fear of abuse. I'll defend myself for being accused of any such thing, or for being irresponsible. This is intended to make things better, and there's no evidence it's doing anything other than that.

If you want to contribute, by all means, show us where there is a problem, other than in your imagination, and it will be seriously considered. Until then, your opinion is still valuable, but you are speaking with authority about something you know little of.

I'm happy to help or take PRs for lemmony. There is also https://github.com/Fmstrat/lcs which I didn't know about until well into lemmony.

Sorry, by comparing now to what; or was as that a superfluous "now," like "come on now?"

I don't. I haven't looked yet either because I haven't crossed that bridge. I think there were some admins on matrix chatting about it though. It will become an issue for large instances like near term, so I suspect someone will tackle it very soon, if they haven't already.

I think it’s more like the instances are countries, admins are governments, and defederation is embargo. Information and influence are the resources. Eventually, you’ll have instances that keep to themselves and others that throw their weight around regardless of any real world political alignment.

I mean someone from the “outside” might go to lemmy.world and see a page full of poop and beans and argue the same thing. Just saying.

There has to be a middle ground. Applying to be in communities sounds good but what’s the point of a public forum that isn’t public. At some point if you continually defederate others, don’t you become the defederated one?

They're not supposed to, and don't call me friend, buddy.

EVERYTHING by default. Also working on "discover only" for searching without the subscribe-to-everything. That said: It's far less than 3GB per day for EVERYTHING I can see, plus: you don't HAVE to keep it forever. Were you doing something that got other than text?

Technically no. Any user could. I wouldn't recommend it though, as it will subscribe you to every community.

Having multiple accounts isn't the issue IMO. It's communication about centralization / decentralization. There is confusing and mixed messaging about the difference between "Lemmy" and "Beehaw." Just like there is between "Mastodon" and "mastodon.socal."

Joe public's perception of participation in social networks is based on brand: "See my post on Facebook," "reply to my tweet," "did you see that subreddit?"

It needs to be clearer that's not how things work here. There are things you gain from decentralization, but also things you lose. People will always want the best of both worlds.

Is there a bot for polls?

When you create that instance, do you immediately need to download and store all the data that has ever been posted to all federated Lemmy instances?

Run my own instance. @Candelestine@lemmy.world is right but there are more details. Federation is not a "sync." When your instance needs to fetch from another instance it will, but it does not get history. You can get a specific comment or post from any time however.

Or perhaps you only need to download and store everything that is posted to the federated Lemmy instances from that point forward?

This is not by default either. Only communities that your users subscribe to will be updated by their "origin" instances.

Or better yet, do you only store what the users on that instance do (i.e. their posts, and posts to the communities hosted on that instance)?

This does happen, but it also stores what your users do on remote instances as well as "copies" of what they interact with. Images (currently the only media hosted by lemmy servers) are linked to thier "origin" as well. So you are storing text of posts and comments.

Welcome. We don’t call ourselves lemmings. The preferred term is lemons.