hassanmckusick @ hassanmckusick @lemmy.discothe.quest

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fuel shield > human shield?

Downplaying the casualties is straight out of the holocaust denial playbook

https://www.museumoftolerance.com/education/teacher-resources/holocaust-resources/what-is-holocaust-denial.html#4

your attempt to sew doubt is exactly why they released it.

Except they didn't release it. They released one minute of footage. All I'm asking is that we let the journalists verify the other 42 minutes.

Is that really an insane ask? It's not

The audience was not allowed to record the compilation but one excerpt, approximately one minute long, was released to the public

So 1 minute of verified footage?

Edit: release the snyder cut

I don't think you understand how paraphrasing works

Kidnapping, raping, murdering, torturing CIVILIANS is what started this

If Israel is mad at the Israeli settlers why are they attacking Palestine?

If you can admit that then I can admit that dropping them off with the Red Cross and taking photos of the release and airdropping them to like 20 homies (or like 2 journalists) should provide enough evidence to be recovered in case of disaster.

But with how quickly disinformation is spread, with the asymmetric technical capabilities, with the fact that 2 hostages were just released safely with no issue, I don't blame Hamas for trying to do this as safely as possible.

There are reporters for Al Jazeera and other organizations in the Gaza strip.

Yes, I didn't say they revoked the journalists citizenship. Israel bombed the AP building 2 years ago. Israel has bombed a bunch of hospitals and ambulances. Israel is killing humanitarian aid.

And if not the government, the UN in Red Cross have communication capabilities.

The UN wasn't able to get in for like 3 days after a ceasefire on the border was negotiated. These are not realistic suggestions.

But let’s take your point to its logical conclusion, how could Hamas tell us that they’re unable to release hostages if they don’t have access to the internet?

You only need wired electricity to (record a video and) tell us they're unable to release hostages. Showing a livestream of them releasing hostages requires mobile internet+electricity and requires at least one additional point of internet+(wired) electricity (the tower to broadcast the phone signal).

I asked you this already, don't be dishonest, with what internet? With what electricity?

Tell the press they’re there

What press my guy? They kicked aljazera out and bombed the AP building a few years ago with no evidence given. They've killed 23 journalists since the beginning of the month

They didn’t indicate they had Israeli support, the news article didn’t say it, and then Israeli government didn’t

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

Why does Hamas need Israel’s agreement to release hostages?

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Israel is bombing the Rafah border crossing.

They could live stream the entire thing.

With what internet my guy? Gaza's sole power station ran out of fuel on the 11th. Any backups are being used for hospitals.

They could bring a reporter along. They could demonstrate their intention.

Alright and what happens with the reporter, the red cross workers and the hostages are murdered in a knife attack 45 minutes after being dropped off by Hamas? Who are you blaming? Who is the global theater blaming? Realistically there is no live streaming anymore so if no one uploads the footage later how are you even gonna know this happened?

The fact that they were able to release two hostages I believe it was yesterday, through the Red Cross, demonstrates they can.

can != should. Could yesterday != can today.

Clearly that’s not true, as they demonstrated yesterday by the release of two hostages to the Red Cross

How did they not have Israeli support?

You're not disagreeing that someone is though

They could get the credit for releasing the hostages even if a bombing later destroys the Red Cross building.

You're not giving an honest answer. How can you release a hostage to somewhere that isn't safe? Why not just release them inside Gaza 2 minutes from the building where their being held? What if they get attacked on the way to release the hostage?

Your answer is cute and works for middle school dodgeball but doesn't work in a world where governments actively engage in disinformation campaigns

That site blocks my country. So I can’t read the article.

Here's the first 2 sentences.

The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC) confirmed Wednesday that five staffers were killed in armed hostilities in Israel and the Gaza Strip.

"Today, in two different incidents, ambulances were hit killing four Palestine Red Crescent paramedics who were helping those in need," IFRC said in a statement.

I understand it's not the whole article but please try to extrapolate with the information given

Edit: Or like... you could def read enough from that URL that you could google it yourself if you actually cared...

I don’t know where you got that impression

Well because if you've been paying attention at all it's very clear that it isn't safe to cross the border because someone is not allowing it

while on the other Hand there were First Person Videos that live-streamed the massacre into the world.

I believe there were videos but have you seen any? Have they been verified by 3rd parties? if so can you link them?

they could drop them off at the Red Cross,

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/five-red-cross-red-crescent-staffers-killed-in-armed-hostilities-in-israel-gaza/3016053

I promise you Egypt would not leave them standing there indefinitely.

Source on Egypt bombing the border crossings cuz I'm pretty sure that's Israel?

Journalists were not permitted to record the screening, which took place on a closed military base.

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