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  • You'd do anything not to accept the fact, that your argument is absolute bullshit, wouldn't you?

    Poles raided Moscow, and set their Czar btw, going straight through current day Belarus. So did the French reach it. So attempted the Germans. The argument of Ukraine being needed for that has no basis neither in history nor modern warfare.

  • If they won why is there fighting still going? And if it's still going on now and drains Russian resources and bleeds the country (as NATO intends) then why would it stop? It would seem Russia only keeps stepping deeper into NATOs trap, whether it "won" or not? Can you please check what percentage of it's GDP Europe spends militarizing vs the "winning" Russia? If I recall correctly Russian economic might could be matched by just Germany and Poland, and entire EU would be something like 3-4 times more easily? So if the European states alone want to fight it, they can do it indefinitely from Russian perspective.
    As for Ukrainians, so happens I've been working with refugees, my team has been in touch with a few thousand of them, and majority of the team itself is Ukrainian or Belorussian. To put it mildly - you're out of touch with reality. You understand very little of the hatred towards Russia that it has developed. And there are new generations growing up already, who'd been thought by Russia that neither election or just accepting Russian rule is not an option if they want to survive, the only option is force. There's only that many watniks and North Koreans one can spend and still have a population that can recover. And if these are bleeding out against mostly 1980's NATO equipment and modernized soviet era tanks, this would not work out better against less corrupt and much better armed states willing to train new generations of fighters willing to fight till their land is reclaimed? If you believed what you're saying you'd understand there's no chance for Russia to actually win.

  • Out of 2 forces that reached Moscow, which one went through Ukraine?

  • I'm not acting for some abstract morals, but against pointless death, imperialist rule and growth of feudal states. Russia as it is personifies most of that.

    Russia can stop the war anytime by going back to it's internationally recognized borders. And nothing says "russia won" like a film studio donating it's antique tanks to MOD, and the state having to rely on rapists and murderers to win meters of terrain 1000 days into their 2-3 day operation. You're beyond delusional. You're cheering a idiot who just destroyed the demography of his already falling dystopian state for the sake of militarizing the rest of Europe against it.
    And even if he won, one thing you will see is a campaign of terror directed at Russia by the Ukrainian and broader Slav underground by which the Chechen one was only symbolic.

  • Ever heard of north passage opening? Basically main economic oportunity for Russia other then its raw materials?

  • Oh but oil prices are the single most important factor to US policy, so any country that can influence them is a threat obviously? Just as much as possible Ukrainian NATO border is, but Finish NATO border is not, you know, it's all logical!

  • Yeah, nazis growing to power has never lead to any deaths. You serious?

    Even if NATO did that it's Russian soldiers bombarding cities, and and Russian soldiers in Ukraine. You want to stop wars, everything that needs to be done is them going back to their country. Oh, and maybe, just maybe, the "sickos" simply know what Russian occupation of their countries looked like, some first hand? You ever consider that, or is there simply one side who has any rights?

  • Yeah, absolutely no invasions going over these forests whatsoever, apart for say these;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimosodat

    But I guess it's only an invasion and imperialism if it happens to Russia?

    Oh, and most effective ones against Russia itself? Never bothered with Ukraine;
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Russia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Russian_War_(1609%E2%80%931618)

    Even for nazis Ukraine was one of three axis of attack, but they never reached as far as the earlier two, partially due to the massive distances over the steppes.

    So the fuck you talking about? Especially claiming to know any of the history of the region? Kiev Rus? Yeah, Moscow basically did not exist when it was at it's height of power ffs. If you bothered to learn any history every surrounding country, including China, considers them a imperialist dangerous neighbor willing to invade given any chance, and always working toward that. With the small difference China is probably already marking Siberia as it's territory nowdays.

    And obviously you're pretending that neither has the technology changed, and obviously 1000km of steppe is the best possible approach, since aircraft, drones, satellites and tactical missiles of nukes are not an option... This NATO bullshit was clearly checked when Scandinavians joined, Královec by the Baltic is now surrounded by it, borders extended in a tarain much harder to secure, a key new possible lifeline for Russian economy is threatened by Finish and Norwegian proximity, but no, somehow Ukraine would be a threat, and that's why the fighting focuses not on a direction of capital, but on the resource rich areas. How can you be so blind?

  • I don't trust any government, but even less so the less there are checks and feedback loops that limit their control. From my understanding of the Chinese system these are severely limited there, and from what I'm seeing about the Slovak one it's simply corrupt in the CEE traditional way and leaning on authoritarian. My point is just that relations between small and massive states will never be equal, and if one goes 'leeroy jenkins' at it - it's either painfully stupid or the effect of corruption. Another such case would be Ireland basically writing away all their gas/oil fields rights to Shell, and acting like a tax heaven for whatever IT multinational.

  • Ok, so how come Finland in NATO is not a problem?

  • If someones argument justifies pretty much any invasion, including some of the most egregious and vile wars in history there might be something wrong with the argument, or holding such an opinion.

  • Let's say they do. How is that worse, or equal, to clearly sponsoring them it at least 4 much larger European countries?

  • Dunno, maybe cooperation with neighboring countries and only together setting joint deals with disproportionately larger countries? It's just as absurd as Poland's last government single-handedly attempting massive tread deals with USA. Each time smaller European countries attempt that they end up on a leash.

  • None of this justfies invading another country, unless you want to justify invasion of Afghanistan or Iraq.

  • there are mountains of evidence for actual fascist policies in Ukraine.

    Yet you did not link to any. Random speech is not a policy, Poroshenko is not an Ukrainian official or a government member, as opposed to Miedwiedew who is and is threatening nuclear annihilation even to non-combatants, aside from aiding the kidnapping of Ukrainian children which is literally a form of genocide.

    you have to admit that the war could’ve been over in the first two months if the west didn’t step in and stop negotiations.

    Any non-russian sources for that claim? And no, the war would not be over, you'd have guerilla war for decades. You understand nothing of Slavic mentality nor know nothing of the history of the region.

    Oh, and what will we do without all the marvelous US help? Repeat history I guess...

  • Cant upvote, this has the exact right amount of votes.

  • You were meant to provide any proof of a actually fascist policy and the best you can come up with is an ex official with some generic threats in the middle of a war.

    I dont see either side as nazis. Both sides obviously do use nazis, although on one side a Jew president sends them to die in the trenches and on the other a mafia oligarch sets them up in FSB and sponsors and enables them worldwide. Funny which one you consider nazis.

    Still even as high on propaganda bullshit as you are you have to admit Russia is murdering Ukrainian children. If a threat of doing so is fascism, what is doing just that? Anti-fascism? How the fuck does that make any sense to you? How can that be equal to someone both murdering and attempting to terrorize the rest of the continent so they dont get seriously involved to stop the butchering of Ukrainians? How come Russia has the right to defend their interests beyond its border including sending troops, but no other country has such right? How is it threathened by Ukraine possibly joining NATO but was not when Finland joined? Particularly with that threathening the control over northern passage, not some easy to controll broad open fields? How do you even make any sense of this to yourself?
    And if you do, following your bullshit logic - why wouldent say Poland, with 200 years of history of Russian occupation, forced assimilation, forced migration and straight up genocide by Russian empire, should not do anything in its power to stop a neighboring country from again falling to such a state? Same arguments you use would justify Polands invasion of Bealarus and thretening to nuke Moscow if they step up. You're to blinded to see the absurdity of your arguments and make a strawman of what you think I support, without at least reading what I clearly state, so cut your bullshit about whataboutism and moral high grounds Putin's fanboy. Western europe attempted to reson with Russian government, cut them deals and made their elites filthy rich while doing it, while most of the country still looks like a cyberpunk distopia and is ruled like any failed 3rd world dictatorship, which it now is.

    "I feel threathened so I might vaporize you all unless you subdue to our imperialism" sounds like a underdog we should be cheering. You are beyond laughable.