goldenlocks @ goldenlocks @lemmy.world

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The only way that could possibly effective is if it was paired with comprehensive voting reform in every state (well, every state that matters).

Yes, we're working on that unlike the Dems.

A third party cannot win with the current first-past-the-post system.

Yeah they can, if you vote for them.

That’s how you end up with something like (theoretically) 25% Stein, 35% Biden, 40% Trump, and Trump wins because he had the plurality. Great.

RFK not exist?

What are you doing to get RCV? I'm voting for a candidate that supports it.

But they didn’t put them there.

Yeah, they did.

the party’s marketing is terrible. The average Joe doesn’t know anything about them.

Then donate or volunteer and do something about it like I am.

I’m never going to get what I want from a single vote.

Yeah, it will take several. But you choose to not start that process.

Ranked voting should be the single focus of the Green Party. They will not ever be elected without it. Nothing can actually topple the Big Two without it.

It is, what are you doing to achieve that?

I don’t see many people taking you seriously

Nice projection. Helps you cope.

Check this out: https://x.com/DrJillStein/status/1794064682745229765

I am doing what I feel is the best way to keep the right wing out of power.

I can respect that, but you're voting for right wingers, making the problem worse.

Greens have historically put several important issues into the public view, especially with climate change. We have had some success with local politics as well, and are poised to make a run a 5% of the general here in November. These are all better than Dems moving us to the right.

I'm making it a reality, you are submitting to duopoly for no reason.

if all third-party voters had instead voted for Hillary Clinton.

You mean the Libertarian party that got 3x the votes of the Green party? They aint voting for Dems, ever. Same with Green party voters so your argument is void.

In each of these states, the number of third-party votes was significantly higher than Trump’s margin of victory.

Most of which are libertarian votes, also you are not entitled to any votes, that's not how it works.

I’m not trying to place blame. But I am trying to suggest that we first need ranked voting before we can have more than two parties.

Which is why supporting and building the Green party is so important, so we can fight for RCV.

If you want Green (on Election Day)… you get Trump.

If you don't want RCV or universal healthcare, you vote for Biden.

You’re going to…. “Build a movement.” Right. So, while you were checking on how much change was brought by doing nothing, did you come across the myriad people that “built movements?”

Wow, someone actually arguing that historically movements did not start small, you're a smart one /s.

Because that shit pretty much started back in the 60’s. And it took them until 1984 to even start the Green Party. And they’re been “building movements” since.

More than you've ever achieved in your life.

So what exactly are you going to do differently than people more organized and smarter than you didn’t do over the past four decades?

I use my skills in web development to help them out with several state party websites, and much more. So happy I have things to be proud of instead of being you.

Where were you December 2019? 2015? I was voting green and supporting and donating to the greens.

You're the one doing nothing, yes I went though history and checked, turns out not doing anything like you changes nothing. Your plan: vote dem and do nothing for 4 years. My plan: build a movement by supporting the Green party so we have an opposition forcing the Dems to give concessions.

Hilarious.

Voting for Biden is a sure way to show support against ranked choice voting, instead you could build support for an opposition.

Nope, re-read the comment, it says "Jill Stein"

Who said i disagree with him?

You claim to be against genocide several times on your account.

And I also know that compromise is how things get accomplished.

Your strategy has managed to move this country to the extreme right wing. Time to admit it doesn't work and try something else.

Go ahead and look through a history book and see how many times protest votes and not booting succeeded in actionable results.

Oh the irony, you're the one with reading to do. I'm building a movement to improve the country and it starts with support. You would be proudly shouting down civil rights protestors back in the day.

Jill Stein

Hilarious, you are so clueless. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting Theres a list of countries on there for you to look at, they have several options for parties, and many come and go in popularity.

You simply choose to consent to a duopoly out of pure foolishness.

No, which is why I don't vote for them

Projection, you're literally voting for someone you don't agree with, so you have a fundamental misunderstanding of democracy.

How? By stopping giving them money and weapons. Not hard to understand.

Hypocritical when it's you holding democracy ransom telling them who to vote for. I am expressing democracy by voting for Jill Stein.

The truth hurts