‘Pipe down’: Biden allies step up calls for Dems to rally around president
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Lol, that is 100% true, Dems are far right economically, and only get votes by calling their opponents far right on social issues.
What about Trump? What about facism? This time is for real!
You’re here endlessly repeating the exact same talking points as seemingly your only persuasion, and yet you think that I fell for these arguments? Sounds like whatever political news “source” you use just makes the same talking points about the DNC instead of the GOP. If you claim that these arguments are necessary to “trick” voters, but you use them yourself to try to persuade me, then either you got tricked into supporting the Greens, or you’re trying to trick me yourself.
Hypocritical of you since the only thing you have to say in response is "no this time I have to vote Dem because Trump"
I don't spend money on sending my message out, Dems do, and it clearly worked on you.
Your refusal to vote tactically doesn’t make you better or smarter than anyone else, if anything it indicates that your priorities are all out of order. It almost sounds like you hate Biden even more than Trump.
I am voting tactically. Dems have to move left to get my vote. When they move right, they get your vote.
I got you to send a book right back lmao, all I had to do was call you too stupid to be able to. I wanted to see what I could write in about 10 minutes, the amount of time you said it would take to waste my vote. It was kinda fun.
Nope, I quickly quoted and debunked your CNN level talking points.
If only we had politicians in the government right now calling for the end of Israeli aid. Oh wait…
After consistently voting for it, and will vote for it next year as well. They care about killing little kids as much as you do.
Yeah, you just keep repeating the same absurdisms with no substance to help convince yourself you’re above others.
It is true liberals use the same arguments to elect economically right wing democrats, you keep falling for it.
you vote for genocide,
100% true if you vote for democrats who approve funding to Isreal, 3 bil a year.
Those are just words with nothing behind them, bud
Already sent you the links to prove that Isreal kills children, and how you vote for Dems that vote to approve funding billions to Isreal. You aren't mentally capable of accepting that, it's okay.
You seem to be the one throwing a fit right now, so you calling me a baby is pretty rich.
Go back and look at the book you sent because you're triggered that someone calls out your votes for right wingers.
I do. One with far better chances of at least limiting disaster right now instead of pie-in-the-sky notions of the Green Party coming to solve all of our issues one day. It’ll be too late by then.
Not that party, you're voting for genocide, just accept that. There's other parties like the PSL. Literally any left vote outside the duopoly is better than voting for right wingers like you do.
You're just naive and cant look towards the future, so in 28 you'll be saying the same argument and complaining that Dems aren't good. They don't change because you vote for them, meaning they don't have to change. It's very obvious, you are very dumb.
Certainly not when compared to the alternative of gassing it to the right under Trump. If you aren’t frightened by the prospect of another Trump presidency right now, you aren’t paying attention.
Cry like the baby you are. Heard the same in 2016, will hear the same in 2028, either way you must accept you are a right winger and vote for a right wing party.
They can’t win because no one votes for them.
Then vote for them.
They peaked 20 years ago.
Vote for another party then.
Honestly, I’d have more respect if you were to simply eschew electoral politics altogether.
That's retarded. I have a vote and will always vote for the largest party with a good platform.
The Green Party isn’t our savior any more than the Democrats are
The threat of the Green party with your vote is the only way to pressure Democrats from the left. Your vote ensure we move right, great strategy.
Your votes are what enables Trump to win, rather than merely exist.
Republicans wouldn't be in contention if The Dems weren't freely and openly corrupt because you vote for them without question.
That’s still a worthless strategy if those people can’t win right now, especially given the consequences of the right taking power.
Can't win if you don't vote for them. Much better than your strategy of voting for genocide and then yawning at the death of thousands of children.
You will find yourself incapable of convincing me that Trump is worse than Biden.
Your votes for Democrats are what enables Trump to exist.
Biden arranged a ceasefire and prisoner release and has at least discussed limiting or putting conditions on Israeli military aid, something Trump wouldn’t even consider.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HZs-v0PR44
His entire career in the senate he voted for funding and is responsible for the death of thousands of children, you are as well with your votes. You zionists are not part of the left.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger’s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbard–Satterthwaite_theorem
Your plan to change the voting system: vote for people who support the current voting system because it benefits them.
My plan to change the voting system: vote for candidates that support ranked choice voting.
Go look back and see who actually provided links in this discussion. You sent a link about green party membership without even knowing the rules of party membership. I've done a far better job substantiating my arguments.
All you've done is make excuses for voting for genocide so you don't feel bad about killing children.
No, I asked for a document comparable to the 2025 plan, go back and reread it. It’s not my fault you misread and gripped to that misinterpretation for too long.
That's exactly what I provided except it was a real document and not some theory that doesn't exist.
I did give links. Specific ones that actually supported what I had said.
No, you gave a few links to irrelevant information.
Something beyond your capabilities because you’ve just given a bunch of irrelevant information
Incredibly ironic.
So what about Obama, VPs don’t authorize drone strikes.
Genocide Joe did exactly nothing to stop it. Not a word. Not a lifted finger because he is complicit in the killing of civilians.
The Greens haven’t helped eviction rates ones bit. Your state’s local Green membership doesn’t mean shit.
Because you won't vote for them.
The Greens pass far-right legislation.
Unsubstantiated.
The Greens love to secretly do poorly on purpose because their goal is to weaken the left from the inside.
No examples of that, whereas Democrats make whole careers out of it. You don't want to accept that reality that your votes for them only ensure they stay wealthy and in power instead of taking a chance on the Greens.
Stein wants to launch nuclear war all over the world.
Ironic when you vote for Joe Biden who is literally escalating tensions with nuclear powers.
Normally quotes are usually unnecessary because the person you’re speaking to can remember what they themselves said. I suppose I expected too much of you.
Aww, you're sad you have your bullshit called out with quotes. Oh well, looks like I win this one.
Your “source” was just a link to the whole constitution of the Confederacy. You didn’t actually cite any specific examples to back up your point, you just said they were comparable without elaborating. Did you even read it before linking?
Which is exactly what you asked for. If you read it, you would know.You didn't even link project 2025, just another scare tactic that works on triggered libs like yourself.
Also this must be your first time in an exchange since you don't know how to quote and instead use a big block of text because your clearly lazy and have no penchant for political analysis.
They may be comparable in some ways, but perhaps rather different in others. It’s probably arguable, but you didn’t bother, so I don’t know what your thought process was. It doesn’t matter what it was now, but that’s what citations and sources are for. What specific parts of the constitution are you referencing? Which specific parts are similar to the 2025 Plan or fascistic political ideology and what are the parallels?
They are not comparable, article I.3 and IV.3 are far beyond anything in project 2025. Also this existed, unlike project 2025.
You’ve already demonstrated for me in practical terms that you don’t know when to use a source or how to cite it. Your only defense is projecting your ignorance onto me. They are not for questions at all, but for statements, of which you make many unfounded and unsupported ones.
Extremely hypocritical from someone not even posting links so support your argument that voting for Democrats is good, you also just write noncoherent blocks of texts unlike me who has systematically quoted and dunked on every one of your talking points from CNN.
In listing the CSA’s constitution as a kind of predecessor to the 2025 Plan, you acknowledge that this is a big deal.
Once again never said that. Stop putting words in other peoples mouths you're causing yourself a lot of grief but that why liberals like yourself are so confused. I said that's an actual example in reality unlike project 2025 which is not possible with current demographics.
My strategy has worked about 45% of the time in the last 100 years (8/18 times) and yours has worked exactly 0% of the time.
What is your strategy again? Just voting for Democrats to pass extreme right wing economic policy? It looks like you're simply confused about being on the left. You are not when you support right wing policy.
The Greens’ membership fell by about 27% between 2004-2009 and has remained mostly stagnant in terms of growth since then
https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/registering-by-party-where-the-democrats-and-republicans-are-ahead/ That's 18 states where your number is irrelevant. I live in one of these states and donate and support the green party so your number does not apply to me or millions of others. Cornell West also brought in support by the thousands recently so lots of momentum.
Your strategy is failing utterly right before our eyes and all you can do to distract from it is to point at others. My strategy actually accomplishes real harm reduction because during a significant amount of the time, less extreme policies are being passed
LOL, so you admit you are a right winger after all.
Greens are building momentum so nope not failing at all unlike the Democrats. (Unless you're a multimillionaire of course)
Dems at least pump the breaks a little bit, while the Greens aren’t there to pump the breaks at all. Don’t worry, though, they said that they would totally have stopped the crash singlehandedly if they were there. The DNC certainly aren’t the revolutionaries I wish they were, but it’s obviously better than letting the right have total free reign. The Greens have never been around to effect any legislation one way or another. Your strategy accomplishes literally nothing as opposed to at least something demonstrable. Failed idealism is still failure.
They don't pump the brakes, you're just blind and probably too privileged to notice decline in quality of life of the poor and big uptick in eviction rates https://evictionlab.org/eviction-tracking/
Greens haven't had a chance in congress or the presidency to make an impact unlike the Dems. They've had all they chances they need to prove their intention is to increase wealth inequality, but you support that as you are right wing.
You seem to be under the impression that the Green Party would stay true to their beliefs better than the DNC, but this also would appear untrue.
Green party US is not in any way responsible of whats happening in Germany, you're getting desperate to convince yourself voting for genocide is okay. (It's not)
In the few places where the Greens have won any elections, they have to compromise with the right just as the DNC does.
Not true at all. The vast majority of over 140 elected Greens in the US are in local politics making moves you don't know or care about. https://www.gpelections.org/greens-in-office/
Everything you’ve criticized Biden for, you haven’t acknowledged that Trump would be worse on all accounts, as he’s already demonstrated in his presidency.
100% false. Trump legitimately had a better foreign policy record than Biden does right now. Biden has been a complete disaster on the world stage.
Biden reduced drone strikes by 54% from Trump’s final year.
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush you forgetting he was VP during this?
You are ignoring Biden sending hundreds of billions to Ukraine to get them killed instead of negotiating. Then he sent more weapons to Israel to kill civilian in Gaza.
You bring up drone strikes as if a reduction is reducing civilians killed while Biden kills over 14,00 civilians in Gaza? Absolutely disgusting from you.
Here’s a list of inconsistent thoughts regarding your stated reasons for advocating for the Greens; criticizing the DNC for being ineffective when the Greens have little at all to point to whatsoever; criticizing the DNC for compromises with the right when the Greens would have to make those same compromises; complaining the dems get the right elected and telling people to vote for someone unelectable which only ends up helping the right by diluting votes.
The DNC is ineffective on purpose. Vote for the Greens to get them elected then you can complain. You have no evidence of Green party US compromising with the right at all. Dems do get the right elected by being terrible policy makers. The right is weak in the US demographically, the only thing stopping the Greens from getting to have a chance is DNC propaganda which is working well on you. The duopoly is very weak right now Gallup polling last month found that a record 49% of Americans see themselves as politically independen so is the perfect time to vote for left wing parties.
You said it, voting Green really is the least one can do lmao. It might be easier to simply bring down the whole government and start from scratch than it would be to get a Green president elected anytime in the next 20 years. It took me about as long as it takes to vote Green to write this comment and the time I spent was just as “valuable” lol.
Yet you spend so much time and effort justifying your support for genocide that you can't take the time out of your day to vote for a left party. You are not part of the left.
every time I ask for sources
I provided you an actual source for fascism. You are clearly emotionally incapable of leaving your abusive husband and that's really sad.
even to merely explain your thinking
You are a triggered lib that can't handle the reality of your votes. You vote for genocide, and I do not. I already explained that you need to support another party to oppose that.
What strategy exactly? How exactly has it failed?
Voting for Democrats. It failed to oppose the right, that is very clear. We have to move to another party, very obvious.
democrats have at least been president a bunch of times and prevented the right from having those opportunities.
And passed right wing economic policy. Nice job.
Again, cite your sources
You keep saying that but you don't know what it mean. You have to ask a question for that.
I can back up my statement that your strategy is worthless by pointing out that the Green Party is so fringe as to never have won a national election
They have won many local elections like you liberals claim to care about, and need support but you refuse to help. You instead spend time and effort opposing the obvious solution: vote for them.
You’re even more naive than I thought if you’re banking on that.
Banking on them winning the president in 24? You don't even listen, it's about building a party to oppose the Democrats that are fake left.
It’s also genuinely laughable that you’d complain about democrats being beholden to moneyed interests and then suggesting the Green Party should get all of its money from the federal government
Never said that, you're talking complete bullshit. I'm glad I triggered you this much :)
Unlike the Democrats, the Greens don't take bribes from moneyed interests like you know.
Do you have a single consistent thought in your head?
Yes, I have quite clearly said to vote for the Green party.
I’m afraid your expectations for the US electoral system is much too high. This is the US we’re talking about, remember? You think they’d let us have someone actually good? Bad or abjectly terrible are your options and always will be. You can say “I refuse to participate in this matter,” but I don’t want to hear any complaints when it turns out the worse one gets chosen for you anyway.
Voting for the Green party is the literal least you can do if you actually don't have any hope for the political system. Literally 10 minutes of your day, get over it.
That person didn’t win and the old people are still in charge, genius.
And your plan is to keep voting for them. you've already lost.
everything to do with strategy.
Yours failed.
So far you’ve proudly declared you have no real strategy
Vote for Greens to get atleast 5% for federal funding.
jump out.
Exactly.
there’s no escape.
Holy shit, you are truly a battered spouse. You can leave, vote for anyone else.
And how exactly is a centrist leader worse than a far-right leader? That makes no sense.
Because you're ensuring wealthy people control the political system by voting for them. Wealthy people win whether Trump or Biden is elected.
So atleast you admit you're in an abusive relationship, next step is to leave.
a far-right Trump presidency would be much worse for the actual left than a centrist neolib Biden presidency.
Voting for a centrist neolib is the worst thing you can do for the left.
There’s a lot riding on this; access to abortion, trans rights, environmental protections, restricting voter access
Biden has been terrible on abortion by not getting roe v wade codified his whole career, terrible on environment just approved the willow pipeline, terrible on voting rights since hes a Dem and used undemocratic super delegates to win.
It was an actual path to fascism which is what you asked for. Stein is strengthening the position of the left, because the Democrats are not left. RFK pulling votes from the right is huge, and a big chance for an actual left party like the Greens to gain ground. RFK could actually win in my opinion because of how disliked the current duopoly is.
Name a single comparable document in all of US history.
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_csa.asp LMAO you set yourself up for that one
The real deranged take is to say that people like Biden will get Trump elected, when Biden is literally the only contender. Your solution? Vote for a non-contender who won’t even break a million votes.
Biden and Trump are the weakest candidates we've seen in decades, if there is any time for a third party or independent to win its now. RFK reaching 20% is clear and obvious evidence of this.
Your plan to take advantage of this? Vote for genocide Joe to ensure the wealthy maintain control the political system.
It's only a two party system because Dem voters are cowards.
Incredibly ironic. You're the one making up hyprocritical arguments to vote for Dems. That ship has sailed, looks where its gotten us.
Lmao I'm the one stating facts here and you think you're Socrates. I've sent you examples of Dem policy being terrible, killing thousands of children, it's not a game.
For show. Biden has a long history of right wing economic policy, support of NAFTA being a good example. His recent breaking breaking of the rail strike shows how your vote gets your right wing policy now in real time. You chose this.
Trump is too incompetent to pull that off, having his dumb ass in the white house is a net positive for the world compared to having Anthony Blinken in charge of foreign policy now because Biden is asleep.