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No it doesn't. The GDP has been decoupled from wages for about 50 years now.

I'm not surprised either, but I won't be supporting it.

Are those consequences worse than discontinuation of Democracy?

Sounds like cutting off arms supplies to Israel is a bargain then. Moderates should be happy to compromise on that in order to support continued democracy yes?

Well, given they're (apparently) unwilling to give up sending weapons to Israel in order to defend this constitutional federated republic I'm gonna go with "no".

Did you read the article?

Is our constitutional federated republic important to the people who want to keep supplying arms to Israel?

... or we could increase the median?

How much are you being paid to follow me around?

So support for continued democracy is not on the ballot then?

If you always prioritize the less fortunate and ignore any issue affecting anybody who is anywhere above less fortunate it means more people will slip into being less fortunate. If you want the less fortunate to be able to get out of their situation and stay there then you need to also prioritize making sure there's a viable path to success. That path to success is being eroded and neither Republicans nor Democrats are addressing it. What do you think that leads to?

To put it succinctly, support for Gaza is not on the ballot. Support for continued democracy is.

What kind of democracy is that?

Democrats will focus their attention on those who are less fortunate.

Why are you framing this like an either/or situation?

You're not making any sense.

There is no "reason, objectivity and facts" when it comes to personal decisions. You either accept what people are going to do or you find a compromise. Your engagement in these conversations seems to be "your personal decision is wrong because X,Y,Z". That's not useful to anybody.

If moderates can't get over their unwillingness to compromise with progressives and leftists the split is guaranteed.

No, we’re mad because we recognize the same rhetoric from 2016 that led to us getting Trump as president, which we’ll be feeling the pain of for generations.

Then do something different?

Moderate politics have dominated the Democratic party for decades and within that time the Republican party has only grown to be a bigger problem. The strategies of the Democratic party are extremely dated. It's time to try something new.

your refusal to even acknowledge one thing you think Biden has done well.

Because everything he's "done well" has been pretty much the same shit they've always done. It's not enough. You can blame Republicans all day long but we need something to change and Democrats are the only option available to progressives and leftists. But every single time there's an opportunity to demonstrate looking towards the future and making these changes Biden has passed that up. Here's some examples:

Called on congress to block the rail strike: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/biden-calls-on-congress-to-block-potential-railroad-strike
Walks back his own campaign promise for $50k forgiveness: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/539139-biden-balks-at-50k-student-loan-forgiveness-plan/
Goes around congress to sell weapons to Israel: https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/politics/biden-congress-israel-military-aid/index.html
Forced federal workers back to office: https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/13/politics/in-person-work-biden-administration/index.html
Increased the defense budget: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/28/politics/defense-budget-biden-administration/index.html

These behaviors put me as a voter in a no win situation. If I support Biden after all this what am I doing besides giving establishment Democrats and moderate voters a blank check opportunity to say "See? Everything is fine.". They will completely ignore the fact that I and other voters compromised our principles in order to prop up a candidate we hate for what he's done.

On the other hand I can protest vote 3rd party or write in. And of course that comes with it's own risks.

At what point will moderates and establishment Democrats have a moment of self awareness and admit that this isn't a sustainable model? Personally I had hoped 2016 would be that wake up call but instead I'm seeing people try to turn it around as if it's progressives and leftists who need to change.

You seem to think all that matters in life is whether you are personally suffering.

How many decades of suffering am I supposed to put up with before I start insisting the things I care about need to improve too?

If you're genuinely telling me this is my life in perpetuity and my attempts for something better are a moral failing then what's left for me?

What reason, objectivity and facts? People are telling you they won't vote for Biden in the upcoming election. If you want their vote you have to accept their reality. If you don't want their vote you have to accept the consequences without complaint.

But life isn’t necessarily “sweet” for people who have to take care of others. Plenty of people are struggling yet have to take care of their children and their parents. All of the legislation in that list helps to ease their burden.

So your life sucks then? You seem to be having a difficult time explaining why you're grateful to Democrats for what they've done without accidentally admitting it's because you're not suffering.