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Do you ever take a break from defending a career politician and a shit human being?

TBF to the press they did cover the uncommitted votes in the primary. Moderates and liberals just decided they didn't want to take it seriously. They shrugged and said "They'll vote for Biden when the time comes."

I mean it has been covered. People just ignore it. I'm still getting accused of being a Russian plant even after thousands of votes were cast for uncommitted. Either those votes were cast by Russians or those people don't have internet I guess.

It's also a failure of Biden.

EDIT: Most powerful person on the planet, zero responsibility for his own decisions got it. /s

It is throwing a tantrum in the cereal aisle because Mom won’t buy you Cocoa Pebbles.

Why are you using this example to justify how democracy works? Who is "mom" in this situation? Why do they get to decide what we eat? Why would I need someone else to buy something for me? Why are you accusing me of acting like a child but the example simply defines me as a child? I'm not a child therefore I decide what I eat. Change your example to "You as a fully grown adult have decided what to eat" and suddenly my behavior is completely appropriate.

Do you see how ridiculous you sound?

Justify it all you want, your behavior is selfish and self-destructive.

I have no interest in your assessment. I have something you want and you would say anything to get it for free. The answer is "no this is mine you can't have it for free". You are reacting like a child to that statement.

There were lots of alternatives in the 2020 primaries what are you talking about?

Biden won't stop MAGA. Liberal politics are incapable of stopping MAGA.

Lol how old are you? This your first election? Maybe Democrats will make concessions to progressives when we (and young people in general) fucking show up to vote consistently. And not only in presidential races.

I will be showing up to vote for a 3rd party. So if what you're saying is true moderates, liberals and establishment Democrats will go "Oh shit. Look at all these reliable voters to the left we're not reaching."

Until then, you’re naive if you think you can make ultimatums like that… It’s laughable.

Moderate and liberal voters make these ultimatums every day and you just act like it's normal.

but rather of mulish obstinance

Yes. After decades of watching mulish obstinance by moderates and liberals resulting in the party and every commenter like yourself bending over backwards to serve them I'm gonna give it a try.

There are precisely two candidates who have a shot at this.

Then you better hope Biden doesn't need my vote or starts acting like it real fast.

It’s just being an adult and realizing that you’re not always going to get your way

We've never gotten our way. If you think drawing a line at 20 years of patience isn't sufficient to qualify as adult like behavior then I don't know what to tell you. Again, go tell moderates and liberals they've pushed us for too long. That's your only hope at this point. I'm done.

I don’t know who is making that argument, but it is a stupid argument. And besides, it doesn’t address the point at all. If, for example, Biden made those material compromises with progressives that you describe, and a “moderate” or “liberal” decides not to vote for him when his opponent is Donald Trump, then I would be in the exact same situation with them that I am currently in with you: asking them “do you believe that Donald Trump is fundamentally worse for America than Joe Biden”?

That's the point though. Nobody asks that of moderates. They keep getting exactly what they want and zero questions about it. Meanwhile progressives and leftists are expected to capitulate everything to the slightest wiff that moderates and liberals would abandon the party.

I'm done. The roles are reversed now. From now on I won't vote for candidates who won't give me what I want. So you'll have to hope moderates and liberals are ready to suck it up for a bit.

Regardless, no, Biden didn’t pull the football.

Yes he did.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-student-loan-forgiveness-50000_n_602d49c6c5b67c32961aab8b

I know enough about how democracy works to know I'm not voting for the guy again. We're not fucking around here. Make material compromises with leftists or progressives or lose to MAGA. Make a choice.

Yes. He negotiated down.

Lol buddy, you made an outrageous claim that you can't possibly back up and now you're trying real hard to deflect.

But don't worry, I suspect we'll run into each other again and I'll keep bringing this up. Either you can admit what you said is bullshit or you can prove your 50% claim. But what you're doing here is sad even for you.

Why do people assume individuals are planning on defending themselves from the full force of the government? There's a whole chasm of situations between "The power structures in place leave me in peace" and "The power structures in place have decided to move with their full weight against me specifically."

No we're not ok.

On the one hand moderate and liberal voters, the DNC, establishment Democrats, centerist corporate news stations, past presidents and Biden himself are talking about how dangerous Trump is. He cannot be allowed to win.

Okay, sounds serious. Serious enough to make some big moves in order to get the votes necessary to win by a comfortable margin? If you check out Biden's insistence on continuing to ship weapons to Israel the answer is "no".

And really this encapsulates the problem with so called moderates and liberals. When faced with a choice between left or right when the center cannot hold they just fuck around, stall or outright sabotage leftist efforts. Effectively cementing a rightward victory and then blaming it on leftists.

It's pretty pathetic how often they play this game and considering they actually do seem sincerely worried about Trump it's bewildering why they aren't seeking more cooperative efforts with leftists and progressives. They remain steadfastly confident stern lectures, as if leftists and progressives owe their votes, are all that is necessary.

I made the edit because three people came by to down vote but had no response. You'd have a point if nobody had seen the comment. Obviously that wasn't the case.

And since when is Sanders or AOC considered Dem leadership? And three examples isn't even close to "50%"

Don't be fooled by her. She's a shark and she smells blood in the water.

Biden's having his own "cut it out" moment: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-wall-street_n_56b423e0e4b08069c7a6c432

Exactly. I totally remember all those leftists saying they would be happy if Biden just offered stern warnings. /s