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By voting in primaries

You're making an assumption here that if progressives and leftists managed to get decent candidates through the primaries the moderates and liberals who we will still depend on to win general elections will show up to vote for them. That confidence is absolutely baseless.

First of all, how dare you.

It’s a lot less stressful to just accept this.

I wonder if that's why suicide rates are at all time highs.

But know that in the next 4 years, Biden is not eligible to be re-elected so good on you to no longer see him on the ballot

I have full faith in the ability for moderates and liberals to shove an equally terrible candidate through the 2028 primaries. It will likely be HRC. Again.

When the GOP has no chance of winning, then the Overton window can move more.

Then Biden should be listening to the people he's depending on to get re-elected.

We're working on it. Demonstrating the Democratic party is no longer viable is our current strategy.

But, you know if moderate and liberal voters wanted to show up in force at these protests that might not be necessary.

You move the Overton window by voting.

We did in 2020. It moved rightward.

Are we though?

It’s not his or her decision alone.

He went around congress to ship weapons to Israel.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/politics/biden-congress-israel-military-aid/index.html

Here's a cool tidbit that's probably gonna end up in the history books.

When asked if the protests have made him reconsider his policies in the region, Biden said "no."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-speaks-college-protests-israel-gaza-war/story?id=109870179

At what point does Biden realize he's made a giant mistake? You're lecturing us for not paying attention to history. Is Biden?

Purely hypothetical question for you: Would you rather continue supporting Israel or see Biden win the 2024 election?

Biden went around congress to ship weapons to Israel. Painting him as helpless here is pure misinformation.

I don’t understand why people point out that Biden is “funding the genocide in Palestine” and completely ignore and fail to mention that trump would do the exact same thing.

And hence why I won't vote for Trump either. It's not that hard to understand.

This may be a hot take but as someone in my 40s I don't think anybody in their 80s has a fucking clue what's good for me.

Which is to say, I think they’re willing to lose as long as it means they don’t have to really do anything major.

100% agree. This is something liberal and moderate voters are completely blind to.

You're missing their point. Biden didn't abandon younger voters because he never supported them in the first place. He talked a good game so he had their support which is why he won in 2020. Now that it's clear they never had his support yes, they will abandon him.

Purely hypothetical question for you: If you had a choice between supporting Israel or Biden winning the 2024 election which would you choose?

You realize this critique cuts both ways right? Fox news and CNN are completely aligned in their criticisms of the protestors.

Well that just begs the same question about the moderates and liberals who keep them in power. Do they think this is a winning strategy?

Hypothetically if you had to chose between supporting Israel or Biden winning in 2024 which would you choose?