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It is clear within the US that the uncommitted movement is grossly misunderstood outside of the people who care to engage with anti-genocide protest efforts. Because the main stream media did not cover it effectively up to the primary election and barely covered it after.

It is also clear that people from other countries do not understand the US primary system at all.

For Democrats, voter turn out is what matters. And that the “uncommitted” vote does not beat Biden. The uncommitted vote will not beat Biden since no news orgs covered it well so few know about it unless previously involved in anti-genocide efforts. Only Democrats can vote in the US Democrat primary, so high primary turnout shows how many democrats are willing to vote for Biden come election AND the uncommitted vote shows an easy tally of how many people were moved enough to discover the uncommitted vote movement and take part to support ending the genocide of the Palestinians.

If you see actual astroturfing, fascists-in-leftist-clothing calling for an uncommitted vote in the general, tell them to “fuck off tankie”.

In the US general election there will be no “uncommitted” option, showing that they are out-of-state fascists. Tell them to eat shit loudly and do not engage further with the fascies.

The US general election is serious as the republican challenger is the fascist bitch who tried to overthrow the government. But the genocide of the Palestinians is also serious, they’re actually dying by the thousands and after you die you’re dead it’s donezo, and anyone should be able to realize that that’s horrendous

In the general it is indeed, unfortunately, a binary choice. If you could vote for Biden but do not, you have helped the explicit fascists. First past the post voting, babyyyyy

People are driven by the genocide of the Palestinians to stop it. The title is jarring, divisive, and highly critical on purpose: 30,000+ Palestinian civilians are dead and counting. Biden has not done enough to end the genocide that the US enables, hence he is targeted by this me-me.

There is no credible call to not vote for Biden in the general. If you see such a call, that is actually republican astroturfing or Russian bots at work. Anyone sane and rational is well aware the fascist republicans are worse, even if Biden does not act to end the genocide - as the fascists have already said they would “complete the mission”.

Yeah I just copy and pasted shit I’ve said to others cause people just keep saying the same uninformed shit. People are dying, and the poster is clearly very moved by their plight. It must end, hence the uncommitted vote protest

Support for Biden’s actions on the topic of the Palestinian genocide has long been negligible among those who do not want to see a peoples murdered. This uncommitted vote movement is just one more form of protest, among many. This is not the start of the anti-genocide protests. But people with any sane rational are well aware Biden will be better than the fascist alternative, come the general election.

And how is US influence in the Middle East reduced? The US props up Israel, if the US uses its paid-for influence to stop the genocide now, Israel will still be dependent on US assistance and 30,000+ civilians and most of Gaza has already been destroyed - a significant destruction of the Palestinian open air prison is already done. Israel will continue to be a US proxy.

Now not stopping the genocide is giving Iran undue influence and is reducing the US’ influence in the Middle East since the majority of the peoples in the Middle East can very easily empathize with the Palestinians’ plight.

Not ending the genocide now (and before) is detrimental to US interests and the people who are fucking dead

I do not have the time to type new forms of the same info for everyone who wanders into 196 that are clearly ignorant of how the US primary system works, what the uncommitted vote symbolically means, and why people are so adamant for the end of the Palestinian genocide.

People calling this me-me tankie, anti-American, anti-democracy, so many things. This is just a me-me that riffs on the uncommitted vote movement and was made by someone who STRONGLY feels the genocide needs to end (because thousands and thousands of civilians have already been killed) and they feel so strongly they typed “Genocide Joe”.

Are you from the US and do you understand the non committed vote movement? It has explicit goals, to get a tally-able amount of people who want the Palestinian genocide to end.

So the guy who made the me-me called him “Genocide Joe”, that’s not representative of the entire the non committed vote movement. But some do call him that, as you have seen, and they call him that with reason. It’s a polarizing monicker to draw attention to the 30,000+ dead and counting. They want it to stop, those are 30,000+ civilians dead in systematic genocide. They will not call him that if he genuinely tries to end the genocide by pressuring Israel like the US is fully set up to do (the US funds the majority of Israel’s military and the US props up the Israeli economy).

Try harder to be human, it’s not about the name people call some guy, it’s the people dead and dying who have no escape and no protection.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240307124305/https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/06/israel-weapons-sales-loophole

He has not been desperately trying to pull Israel back, and people with a modicum of critical thinking skills have properly identified that he has not and are urging him to do so. That is not astroturfing, that is a fact and that is why people are pushing for him to use his outsized influence to end the genocide. Not just talk and send more weapons to kill Palestinian civilians. You can see why people might call him that, they want the genocide to end now, before more Palestinians are killed.

You are the useful idiot. 30,000+ civilians have been murdered, it’s a crime against humanity and it must stop. Do not urge it on by being desperately uninformed.

oh then you’re good i think

I am not championing calling Biden that, but these types of arguments are dismissive and downplay the reason he is being construed with genocide.

There is an actual genocide of the Palestinian people occurring now. 30,000+ are dead and they have absolutely no way to escape or protect themselves. People get radicalized by that, people get angry, people make up a shocking and critical name for Biden.

Biden needs to do everything he can to end the genocide, so that people will no longer have a reason to trot out that monicker.

Anyone who thinks someone who has the wherewithal to vote uncommitted to protest the genocide of the Palestinians by Israel in the Democratic-only primary but not realize that the fascist republican party is significantly worse than Biden for the general election is arguing in bad faith. And you’ve already linked to the fascist saying he would “complete the mission”, he’s told whoever is actually a single-issue-voter on the Palestinian genocide that he will be worse. People are dying, and it is clear that a vote for Biden in the general is the best way for the genocide to end (if it does not before the general).

If you have any ethical thought processes within you, take them and follow to the logical path that the genocide of the Palestinian people is wrong.

This is not a “fights over this conflict”, Palestinians are being murdered in the thousands. Genocide must be prevented, especially when the US is directly funding it in a very significant way and has the influence to end it. Hence this protest vote in a completely safe 2nd term incumbent Democrat-only primary, which is another attempt to try to get those in control of the US government to heed the will of the people.

You do not understand the US primary system.

People are driven by the genocide of the Palestinians to stop it. The title is jarring, divisive, and highly critical on purpose: 30,000+ Palestinian civilians are dead and counting. Biden has not done enough to end the genocide that the US enables, hence he is targeted by this me-me.

The uncommitted vote in the 2nd term incumbent US Democrat primary, which this me-me depicts, is a safe way to draw attention to the significant need for the US to exercise its power and end the genocide. Biden is not running against anyone with credible support, he will sweep the nomination guaranteed as he is a popular president.

There is no credible call to not vote for Biden in the general. If you see such a call, that is actually republican astroturfing or Russian bots at work. Anyone sane and rational is well aware the fascist republicans are worse, even if Biden does not act to end the genocide - as the fascists have already said they would “complete the mission”.

You do not understand the US primary system.

This me-me is anti-genocide. How could it be anti-Semitic? Anti-American? Insane you could reach for those.

People are driven by the genocide of the Palestinians to stop it. The title is jarring, divisive, and highly critical on purpose: 30,000+ Palestinian civilians are dead and counting. Biden has not done enough to end the genocide that the US enables, hence he is targeted by this me-me.

The uncommitted vote in the 2nd term incumbent US Democrat primary, which this me-me depicts, is a safe way to draw attention to the significant need for the US to exercise its power and end the genocide. Biden is not running against anyone with credible support, he will sweep the nomination guaranteed as he is a popular president.

There is no credible call to not vote for Biden in the general. If you see such a call, that is actually republican astroturfing or Russian bots at work. Anyone sane and rational is well aware the fascist republicans are worse, even if Biden does not act to end the genocide - as the fascists have already said they would “complete the mission”.

You do not understand the US primary system.

People are driven by the genocide of the Palestinians to stop it. The title is jarring, divisive, and highly critical on purpose: 30,000+ Palestinian civilians are dead and counting. Biden has not done enough to end the genocide that the US enables, hence he is targeted by this me-me.

The uncommitted vote in the 2nd term incumbent US Democrat primary, which this me-me depicts, is a safe way to draw attention to the significant need for the US to exercise its power and end the genocide. Biden is not running against anyone with credible support, he will sweep the nomination guaranteed as he is a popular president.

There is no credible call to not vote for Biden in the general. If you see such a call, that is actually republican astroturfing or Russian bots at work. Anyone sane and rational is well aware the fascist republicans are worse, even if Biden does not act to end the genocide - as the fascists have already said they would “complete the mission”.

Gotta make our own fun! And yet be ready to abs trash fascism at the ballot box in November.

I laid out the evidence that the US is in a proxy war with Hamas via Israel (and the entire Gaza population because the country of Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people), as you said the US is not in a proxy war.

So I gave plenty of relevant info that the US heavily props up Israel, making them a proxy since they will do the US’ will as the US ensures Israel does not economically collapse.

Then I gave evidence that Israel was in an actual proxy war when the US had a near peer, the Soviet Union. The US and Soviet Union duked it out via their proxies, Israel and Egypt. The MiGs did so poorly that the Soviet Union actually sent their own pilots in since they assumed the Egyptians were awful https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Attrition but those MiGs were up against F-4 Phantoms and you can fathom who kept Israel well supplied with everything they needed during the various wars.

The US is egregiously responsible for the genocide since it provides at least half of the military budget of Israel right now, if not more, and Israel is literally a proxy of the US’ will in the Middle East and has been for decades.

Edit: the genocide is very bad right now and needs to stop. Hence people made a safe protest vote, because anything is better than nothing when already 30,000+ Palestinian civilians have been killed.

ACAB (all corporations are bastards) https://web.archive.org/web/20240306111706/https://www.wcvb.com/article/some-massachusetts-voters-use-super-tuesday-to-send-message-to-frontrunners/60103614 it’s about Palestinian protest vote on dem side and Haley protest vote on repub side

It is exciting because for democrats you can make your desire to end the genocide known and for republicans, whoever is has no ethics and is still registered as such, can at least make Trump perform like shit despite effectively running as a 2nd term incumbent (even if he wins a state, it’s at a much worse ratio than Biden versus his opponents and the protest vote).

Ah! Yes this protest vote is symbolic and people will not make the same for the general (real). I understand your and many others’ great worry over the protest vote. No one sane and rational would call for this protest vote for the general election when the alternate (as many others in other countries are well aware, as are we here) is the demise of the US.

Unions have not been a significant force in the US for decades. They’re at least on the up and up recently as the cost of living has skyrocketed. Glad they’re strong there :) hope they won’t drift too wrong

It is a grim time in the US, thanks for your interest in us! We must prevail over fascism, we will try, and hopefully we can end the genocide in Palestine while we’re at it. Some people feel it’s “too much”, but they’re being killed rapidly there, people needed to protest where they could.

I’m not out to plaster Biden as “Genocide Joe” personally. But I would like him to use his influence to at least genuinely try to end the genocide so no one wants to call him that. At least Trump just said he would “finish the problem”, makes it clear he won’t be better for whoever is single-issue on the Palestinian genocide

We do need unity, I will scream for eternity if Biden loses. I want the genocide stopped so that we can concentrate on preventing the fall of the US. People are dying in droves and it needs to stop, so protest. But again, I will implode if Biden loses. So I do understand why so many people are against the protest because it breaks unity, and I understand why people are so worried. We in the US are facing the end with a single election, it’s grim