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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-shadow-rule

Did you actually read what I wrote?

Yeah to be honest I'm a bit done with your mixture of fact and deliberate fiction to try to assist your ideology.

Here is an actual factual paper on the reasons for the Libyan invasion

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/03/22/libya-and-the-myth-of-humanitarian-intervention

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12290-017-0447-5

There are plenty of discussion points for you without needing to sprinkle in fiction for good measure.

It was done because he was giving a cut of the wealth to the masses instead of to neocolonial powers

No, a no fly zone was instated because Gaddafi was ordering air strikes on his own citizens, to the extent that his own representative to the UN asked for the no fly zone:

21 February 2011: Libyan deputy Permanent Representative to the UN Ibrahim Dabbashi called "on the UN to impose a no-fly zone on all of Tripoli to cut off all supplies of arms and mercenaries to the regime."

https://web.archive.org/web/20110226113522/http://www.english.globalarabnetwork.com/201102219941/Libya-Politics/libyan-ambassador-to-un-urges-international-community-to-stop-genocide.html

Are you going to continue just making things up?

That is a ridiculous argument and you know it, unless your idealism has blinded you. "Something bad happened later so something good can't have happened before"

Yet you gloss over what it was like in these countries before. Here is an example of how Iraq was before: https://youtu.be/CR1X3zV6X5Y?si=QVE1b277NIVHnOUB

Does that mean the Iraq invasion was good? No. However don't remove all nuance from a discussion about helping the population overthrow a dictatorship, and the potential consequences of that action, just to attempt a cheap shot.

Nice argument, however the population supported it:

According to a Gallup poll conducted in March and April 2012, a survey involving 1,000 Libyans showed 75% of Libyans were in favor of the NATO intervention, compared to 22% who were opposed.[1] A post-war Orb International poll involving 1,249 Libyans found broad support for the intervention, with 85% of Libyans saying that they strongly supported the action taken to remove the Ghadafi regime.[2]

[1] http://news.gallup.com/poll/156539/opinion-briefing-libyans-eye-new-relations-west.aspx [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20170608060559/https://www.orb-international.com/article.php?s=4-in-5-libyans-agree-country-heading-in-right-direction-according-to-post-revolution-citizen-poll

So it sounds more like you are just anti-NATO from an ideological perspective

Yeah it's pretty clear you're not trying to have a reasonable discussion when you mention that the USSR wanted to join NATO. That was an attempt to undermine the defensive pact by using it's own rules about inter-member conflicts against it.

One of the core strengths of NATO is that if a country is invaded then the other countries can't just vote to kick that state out. There is no mechanism to remove another country from the group, by design. So you are either uninformed or deliberately misrepresenting it when you discuss issues with certain members during their membership

NATO is a defensive pact to protect nations from russian aggression, or other states also of course. Ukraine was invaded by Russia. Plenty of geopolitical experts have discussed how financial support of Ukraine is the best investment when it comes to weakening the Russian military. Which makes them less of a threat to NATO

What kind of evidence is that? There are neonazis in every country, that of course does not mean refering to a whole country as "fucking Nazis"

Who are "the fucking Nazis" in your comment?

I'll bite. Why not?

"need to"

I'm also looking for this

"Theory" is "a supposition or system of ideas indended to explain something". I didn't say that it was the most likely theory

This is what I was alluding to, however people seem to have jumped on the "oh he is an Elon fan, quick, tell him he is an idiot!" Rather than accepting nuance

"Had" is past tense. "Theory" is "a supposition or system of ideas indended to explain something". I didn't say that I thought that was the most likely theory. I thought lemmy was supposed to be able to hold a nuanced conversation?

I had exactly the same theory for 2. He seems to genuinely want to save humanity (reusable rockets, electric vehicles etc) and so converting right wingers to electric would fit the goal

FREE TRUmP! Political EXILE!

• cult members when he runs

If they paid fines to cancel, then they were locked in. But they were sensible enough to not fall for sunken cost fallacy and formed up the extra money for the fines to break the lease. Most companies aren't so forward thinking.

Ouch