generalpotato @ generalpotato @lemmy.world

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Lol @ you thinking you’re anything worth more than a shit to me.

Yep. How’s it feel being one?

I’ll get back to you when I’m near a computer.

We can say that you can go fuck yourself if you’re not going to discuss something and throw snark around like a 10 yr old. :-)

Look at the other essays I’ve posted detailing my points. Read more, talk less. Makes you looking a raging idiot.

Thanks for the link. Here’s my counter:

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/five-things-about-deterrence

I will concede, until I look into this further that on face value maybe capital punishment isn’t as effective deterrent as I initially thought. That said, deterrence via capital punishment is one small piece of the problem. So let’s not lose sight of the main point here. Capital punishment literally has irreversible consequences, which means we need laws to be upheld. Just because it’s norm to have wrongful convictions, doesn’t mean we should accept that. That is the ultimate problem we need to go chase, not capital punishment. Focusing on capital punishment is deflection from systemic injustices. So when articles like this come out pointing fingers, my response becomes… “And?”

Right, well in reality they do. Everywhere. And it should be pointed out, your initial comment was that you don't see a problem with Saudi Arabia executing people in the present; do you think that Saudi Arabia has this perfect justice system already?

Maybe re-read my initial comment stating that I do not believe what Saudi is doing is correct either. A differing opinion =/= implicit agreement with a regime. Wtf?

You know people still die from all three of those fields all the goddamn time, right? Even in spaceflight, the one with by far the fewest operations in which something might happen, we're fewer than ten years out from the VSS Enterprise crash that killed Michael Alsbury

So that’s it? Society stops trying? What sort of asinine view is that? Fear of failure should not impede progress. This also applies to laws, regulations, legal frameworks etc.

In the real world, executing someone costs more than life imprisonment due to the costs of investigation and appeals. And it's still not enough to prevent errors.

If we aren’t subsidizing prisons, we can afford it. Although your claim seems far fetched as defacto statement. Costs seem to be variable depending on state, conditions, sentence type etc.

That's literally just revenge. Do you have any data showing that execution is actually good for the mental health of the families of crimes that, in your opinion, deserve the death penalty?

Says you. Go ask the parents of the kids that died in Uvalde massacre on what they want done with the murderer.

The law values human life by... ending it?

Accountability of our own laws, enforcement and the justice system… it’s thing you know.

Dude… re-read my comment.

What I’m saying is that the chances of wrongful conviction shouldn’t arise. Ever. That should be how serious we should be rooting out systemic inequalities. If a society is actually just, wrongful convictions become a non issue. Does that mean that it won’t ever occur? No, but the chances are significantly decreased to where the ones that do occur have the legal frameworks in place to prevent and minimize such occurrences. Perhaps additional appeals, considerations, pardon process from victims etc.

Think of it something like airline regulations, where the process is so stringent, that every single incident is analyzed, learnt from and guarded against in the future. I bet you, that if we were really serious about this, we can collectively solve it. We’ve solved it for space travel, airlines, medicine and countless other fields with implications far beyond what we can cover here. All it takes is collective willingness.

The benefits:

1. Tax payer dollars are routed to rehab services instead of subsidizing prison operations and budgets.
2. Deterrent for people thinking about committing egregious crimes, think serial rapists, mass murderers, serial pedophiles etc.
3. Closure for families that go through traumatic events such as these.
4. Laws value human life, equity and justice above all because there’s lives at stake and each conviction has gravity to it.

In terms of proof of ineffectiveness, can you point me to some research?

You must have to have read the last line of my comment. You just have to.

Oh, look, a note stating that I’m not defending Saudi’s actions must have slipped by your buttons for eyes.

Nothing in life is absolutely certain. Heck even the next few mins aren’t guaranteed. Just because you’re not “absolutely certain” doesn’t mean we go easy on a serial rapist, or a school shooter. Like I stated in my other reply, if a broken system is a problem, we should go fix that instead of incurring the running costs of for profit prisons filled with those that deserve to not live anymore.

It sounds like there’s an acceptance of a broken system that doesn’t remediates wrongful conviction. If wrongful conviction is the problem, we need to go fix that. Expense and cost shouldn’t be a factor when human lives are at stake and justice shouldn’t be measured via money.

And? It’s better than filling up prisons and treating the prisoners as slaves. Some people just cannot be rehabbed, so ending their life is a respite to all. Finally, it sends the ultimate “fuck around and find out message” which is needed to keep potential criminals in check. Not sure what the obsession with no death penalty is.

Note: not defending the Saudi Royals because they deserve the death penalty themselves.

I have and I loved it. Thought Harris would have been more effective than a satirical tv show.

I guess “Administration Officials” > Vice Fucking President of the United States. Pathetic.

Should… should we sic EU on them?

You might want consider looking up the Israeli regime’s views towards Palestinians.

Yes. You can select what to delete and what to retain if I recall correctly. It’s grouped by “activities”, by app if you will.

Something something aiding a genocide causes the other guys to escalate and engage in even more sophisticated attacks.

Something something we should learned from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Something something funding a terrorist regime (Israel) is never a good play.

Ideally you should, but a lot people use Android or want to use Google services. An as example, if you use Google Maps, then you have to opt in to giving Google location access and Google will collect your data. In that case, the least you can do is limit the amount of time Google keeps your data and change from the default setting which I think is forever.