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Do you think this about all people who disagree with you - or just on this particular topic?

Sorry to tell you but you are blind.

I don't know what you specifically mean by it. People tend to have wildly different definitions. I for my part would struggle to call any war just, but for sure there is a spectrum of more and less justifiable reasons for and methods to conduct a war.

Thanks, you gave me an argument to think about - I'm just a slow thinker. If I reach something that sounds reasonable but contradicts with my view on a topic, I need first to unwind my own argument and how I arrived there, takes some times - but helped me extremely to take heat out of conversations.

I like you.

Likewise, thanks for the conversation.

I have 3 comments from before that “copypasta worthy political rant.” You realize copypastas have to be copied from somewhere right? So all copypastas were at some point posted by a real person. Maybe think about that.

Interesting I don't see the other comments but they appear in the count. Might be from instances feddit does not fedderelise with or some bug.

You realize copypastas have to be copied from somewhere right? So all copypastas were at some point posted by a real person. Maybe think about that.

Sure, that's right - but there is also something in that initial text that makes people think, hey that's a copypasta lets spread it. Maybe think about this.

I get that US politics affects other countries. But why should you be attacking me as a bot off of one comment against a politician who isn’t in your country?

Again, I just found your initial comment funny - it sounded like a typical political copy pasta and my response was in no means targeted at specific politics. The bot assumption came after you answered and I looked at your comments and was even more of a joking manner.

Like… You were an asshole.

Pretty sure sometimes I am, like everyone else. Not sure it was this time. But I will agree that I jumped to conclusions and didn't engage you in a serious but rather attacked you based on my assumptions. Sorry about that, if you are not a bot and you expressed a genuine opinion that just sounded to me like a copy pasta - that would have been a bit of an asshole move on my side.

You just act so much like one of us.

Now I'm offended. /s But I also kind of deserve it.

Three month account with single comment three month ago and then straight to a copypasta worthy political rent. Like what should I think?

US, politics affects Europe quite a bit - so kind of understandable.

I was calling you a bot because of a rather suspicious account. And the world is big place my friend.

And people who disagree with you?

Well, your next part of your response (see below) actually signals that flexibility in changing of opinion does happen.

Well, that depends if you view my opinion as radical. That was at least what I was talking about - not sure if it was clear or not.

Otherwise, my own personal life experiences is contrary to what you stated, as Groucho Marx once quoted, “I can believe you, or my lying eyes.” I’m not going to doxx myself though, to prove that point, you’ll have to just take my word for it.

Sure, we than have very different experiences when it comes to online, written debates. Which is absolutely possible - would be interesting to find out why.

A lot of times we go through our individual lives seeing things around us as not the way we would want them to be, and wonder if we are the only one who feels that way. Seeing other members in our society believe the same way as we do is a positive uplift to our own lives.

Fair point. That I personally tend to overlook since I'm rather a non conformist myself. But I can see how it's in general rather helpful.

The problem with that philosophy though is that you end up seeing everything as ‘not worth it’ because human nature is such that you don’t want to be bothered to make the effort, and have to deal with the circumstances. Meanwhile, hatred continues to creep into our society more and more, as today’s events avidly show.

I don't see how one necessary results in the other. I can run away if I'm alone at night and there are five Neonazis in front of me - no point in proving them wrong. Does not mean that I won't speak up when I think it's necessary.

Comment responding on an Internet forum is low effort (at least initially).

Sure, but also a very low form of any actual benefit. But than again, I won't pretend like I know an effective way of fighting against the rise of the modern right. So who am I to judge?

US Americans when they find out there are people living outside USA.

Now bots are getting lazy ans want people do to their job for them?

Yet Disney found a pretty creative work around. But that might be a good idea that distribution and production should be separated entities - if well implemented well could solve the problem. Haven't thought about it.

I’m plastering this discussion with “I think”, “as far as I know” and the likes exactly because I’m not fully knowledgeable on the matter. If I’m getting stuff wrong you could correct me instead of simply telling me I’m wrong.

That is a fair point. I'm just always surprise how confident people discuss matter they (sometimes they even admit) know little about. So what do you think gender is?

I’m not Trans and I’m not Religious so I have no actual way to tell. Only someone who is both could actually have a meaningful say in this discussion, and even then it’s just the opinion of one person and it wouldn’t represent the whole group(s). What I personally think (and again, this might be entirely wrong as I have no direct knowledge of it), is that they’re people who felt something wrong with their life and gave it an explanation that lets them live better. That explanation might be true or not, but as long as it makes them live better and doesn’t hurt others (and this is where unfortunately most Religious people fail), it doesn’t really matter for it to work and be accepted as a natural part of society.

Ok, so you making a more broader almost philosophical point, that religious experience and gender identity different than hetero are both results of people feeling something wrong (in a complex sense) with their life and come up with an explanation (difficult to find the right words), acceptance of which made them feel better. Did I get your point this time?

personally know no Trans person and it’s genuinely hard to talk about this online without being mistaken as one of the thousand different camps who hate Trans people for one dumb reason or another, so my knowledge about the subject is limited to this, unfortunately. If you know/think it’s different I’d be glad to hear why.

I'm not trans, but one of my best friends is. I would think that the best way to understand would be to just meet trans folks and talk. You sound like you come from a genuine point of being curious and not understanding something that you don't know which is always ok, and I'm sorry to hear that you had bad experience talking about it online. But that is a nature of a sensitive topic. You can ask me, I might help to clarify some things. But keep in mind, I'm not an expert so verify the things I say and also I don't speak from my own experience.

That is an assumption, and not a fact.

Sure, I would love to hear arguments against it. I personalty would prefer if it wasn't that way.

Also, pushing back sends a signal to others in the same Society that there are others that believe the same way as they do, and invites them to push back as well.

That is a fair point.

Hatred should always be pushed back against, no matter how effective the pushback ends up being, and regardless of the aggravation/cost of doing so.

Yeah, like I don't agree with this at all. Not difficult to for me to think of situations where just let it be is the best and ignore it is the best answer.

New copypasta?

I did, because it was convenient. But I learned my lesson, it was quite expensive.

That’s Sex, not Gender, though. Gender is unrelated to physical appearance, as far as I know (and is thus impossible to prove).

So you don't even know what gender is, but you chime in anyway - internet discussion at it best.

Not definite ones that don’t bring more questions, is what I’m saying. We have the Big Bang, but how did it happen? What caused it? That’s a gap that will probably never be filled.

There are books on knowledge more complex than what we learned in school. If you fit in physics you can make a rather deep dive into all the questions you just asked - it's far more interesting than god just did it for the fun of it.

And I don’t doubt Trans people exist, I doubt “Gender” exists as more than a concept. I’m comparing a “concrete” God with a “concrete” Gender, and Religious people with Trans people.

So by this comparison you think that trans people believe to be trans in the same way religious people believe that god exists? Just need to clarify that I got you correct.

Just like Religious people can exist without proof of God existing, Trans people can exist without Gender actually being a biological, provable and irrefutable thing. You’re saying “one is real and the other is not” because you’re conflating the two.

Again, I don't doubt that religious people exist. Not sure why you keep bringing it up.

I hate subscription models. After adobe, never again.

Are we not all just children stuck in adult bodies. /end cringe philosophy.

You got me there. Can't ague with that - and my point was unnecessary provokative. Sorry.

if god is real or not doesn’t matter, that’s not relevant, the actions of those convinced he is real, those actions are real.

It kind of matters a lot, since people justify their action by the fact that god is real and therefore their morals are absolute.

I was trying to have a discussion about that, in my view sexual freedom and religious freedom are very similar. They are both the fight for freedom of extression.

I think, I can see your argument - maybe on a philosophical level I even agree with you. But I just realize it's something I have to think about for my self for some time.

And my other thought (not so popular thought, so you better not air it) was that recently this fight for lgbtq feels inorganically amplified by legacy media. It makes me suspicious about if there might be a divide and conquer agenda behind it.

I don't consume legacy media, so I can't really argue on that one.

t’s fun to discuss with you, you seem like you argue in good faith. Managed to slip in a semi-dad joke too.

Dang, I don't even have kids, it's just getting old.

You said escalations of violence cause terrorism.

No, I said quite the opposite - that escalation of violence is the goal of terrorism. But I would agree that escalation of violence tends to create more terrorism, with the caveat: if the original conflict is not resolved in some manner.

Any just war is an escalation of violence if nothing else.

I have no idea what you mean by just war. But I would disagree that any war is just escalation of violence. Wars mostly have rather clear objectives.

The implication by your logic is that no war should be had so as not to cause terrorism.

Nope. That's not implication of my logic. But yes, in most cases wars will produce terrorism if the underlying conflict is not resolved. The underlying conflict might get resolved by war or intelligent occupation strategy (interesting to take a look at west and east Germany in that regard, especially in the context of the rise of the AfD, new german nazi party).