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Is the rest of the Salvadorian society ok with this?

If they make too much trouble for Bukele he will just throw them in there too

Many arrests appear to be based on the appearance or social background of detainees or on anonymous calls, and Salvadoran and international human rights groups have documented detentions of hundreds of people with no connections to gangs. Detainees include union and community leaders as well as environmental human rights defenders.

I know the guy is incredibly popular there,

Imprisoning or killing people who disagree with you will make it appear that way

I bet it would show up very quickly because they'll realize the same thing could happen to anyone of them whenever Trump wants to do it and that they need to take him out before he takes them out

Trump could throw a thousand immigrants into a woodchipper right in front of Congress and it would just be furrowed brows all around, but if a hair on a lawmakers' head ever gets touched by an official action I think they'd impeach him

Yeah, and giving people a visual will help make this more real for them. I doubt this one press conference is going to be our turning point, but it's at the very least a small step in the right direction and better than ignoring this.

Some people are. In spite of all the terrible news I read everyday I still think most of us are good most of the time, we're all just being subjugated by the worst of our species.

Ah, I see what you're getting at and agree with what I think is your larger point, however all the first amendment nuances shake out this isn't a case about a trans athlete getting any kind of special protections, this is just an "individuals' free speech rights vs organizations' rights to assemble without disruption" case. If these guys were thrown out for waging Palestinian flags or whatever other kinds of protesting it would be the same basic legal issue.

I don't think that's right, fancy restaurants and other private establishments can enforce dress codes and things like that. Generally speaking, any private organization is allowed to exclude whoever they want from their events so long as they don't do so for a forbidden reason. Kicking someone out because you don't like their haircut is fine, but kicking someone out because (for example) they're Muslim is not.

I feel like that's unlikely and that a lot of the people dissenting online are the same ones who are protesting, calling their lawmakers, etc.

Also, it's not like any of the IRL stuff has been effective yet anyway. Online dissent probably gets seen by more eyeballs than any one protest sign or IRL action that doesn't end up with the person doing it being arrested or killed (and thus unable to continue resisting this administration), so if it really is an either/or situation I think online dissent is more effective than IRL peaceful protest or writing yet another letter to my lawmakers.

That all said, I really don't think it is an either/or situation, so I think we can and should be encouraging all the kinds of dissent.

Would you rather people stop dissenting online?

Lots of us are peacefully protesting and it's pretty hard for most of us to do anything more than that

It is funny how all the things our lawmakers and pundits call "national security" don't actually ever seem to do anything to guarantee our physical safety. Kinda like how "the economy" doesn't have much to do with how close most of us are to poverty.

The fact that that made the news shows that

it's not commonly covered by the news

it was the guy's own government who snatched his phone,

I don't see what difference that makes

People really should be cautious when travelling to countries with authoritarian governments... it's the same caution that needs to be observed by anyone living in such a regime

100% agreed, that article is focused on a particular place where people should exercise even more caution but people should be on guard the whole time they're under an authoritarian 's jurisdiction

People really should be cautious when travelling to countries with authoritarian governments but that's not because they're crossing a border

No, borders are extra risky places where there is extra surveillance and more guards who could threaten you

People really should be cautious when travelling to countries with authoritarian governments but that's not because they're... in a foreign country

Totally agreed

Also, in 2019 ICE sought to have him removed but lost their motion argument and ended up with a court order forbidding them from doing so, which ICE never did anything to get lifted. That's why the Trump administration has had to say they deported Kilmar by mistake, if it was anything other than a mistake (which we all know it was but don't have smoking gun proof for) that's intentional violation of a court order, aka the Constitutional crisis all the official people have been trying to pretend isn't happening.

Sorry, I wish this was the case but it's not. People entering the US have been getting their phones snatched by border guards who are under a ton of pressure to detain as many people as possible. Nobody should have sensitive information on electronic devices when they're passing through the border and if they need access to that information they should download it securely and understand that their device could still be physically compromised by someone.

what makes you think foreign governements will be so interested in what you have in your phone

This is a question no one should answer in a public forum

I think you posted this comment in the wrong thread btw

It's public record that the US government is paying him to incarcerate these people, I'm certain this exact scenario that's playing out right now was an unwritten part of that deal

One FEMA official, who declined to be identified out of fear of retribution, said: “They’re going after rank-and-file employees and instilling this culture of fear.”

Secret leak investigations leaking never gets old

If you have an interest in fixing the country then you definitely need to have a burner phone system because you're the exact kind of person they're going to single out (like, this article was inspired by an ttorney for a pro-Palestine protester having his phone seized when he re entered the country)

If that comes to pass the burner phone would become "your phone," as much of a pain in the ass and potential cause of losing media as that would be

I love the spirit of what you're saying, but per the attorney's advice in this article, they might seize your phone no matter what you say, password protection with no fingerprint or face scan unlock should ideally keep them out (note that law enforcement usually can take your picture or finger print you without needing a warrant or anything, but they can't force you to tell them a password), but you will probably never get that device back and you could be detained indefinitely while they try to intimidate you into waiving your 5th amendment silence rights.

So because citizens have an absolute right to reenter the country, they have a bit more leverage to, you know, deny a request or refuse to comply with requests to unlock their phone. But that doesn't mean that there aren't going to be consequences. They could be detained for several hours. Their phone could eventually be confiscated. So even U.S. citizens have to think about those potential consequences.

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[As for lawful permanent residents,] [t]echnically, they also have to be let back into the country, but as we've seen in sort of a nonborder contexts, the government and the current administration is pretty willing to question the status of LPRs. And so we always say that, you know, they should be especially kind of mindful and thoughtful about how they comport themselves at the border.

I think your best strategies would be 1) just do not travel to the United States if it can at all be avoided; 2) if you must to travel to the US, don't bring any electronic devices capable of storing media with you, purchase new ones after you are past the border, securely download what you need, then erase and destroy those devices before leaving; 3) if purchasing throwaway devices isn't an option, just act as white as you possibly can and just hope you get lucky and they ignore you.