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Which is why it's surprising the previous comment took the statement at face value.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/11/28/israel-war-news-lebanon-ceasefire-hezbollah-gaza/

Israeli tank and artillery fire struck several villages in southern Lebanon on Thursday, Lebanese state media reported, as the Israeli military warned civilians not to return to the surrounding area — while the cease-fire between Hezbollah and Israel held up across most of the country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Israel%E2%80%93Lebanon_ceasefire_agreement

On November 27, 2024, a ceasefire agreement brokered by the United States and France took effect, ending 14 months of intense fighting between Hezbollah and Israel. The ceasefire has been agreed to by Israel, Lebanon, and the mediating countries, but not Hezbollah, which was not an official signatory given its status as a group designated a terrorist organization by the United States. The agreement mandates a 60-day halt to hostilities, during which Hezbollah is to move its fighters north of the Litani River—approximately 40 kilometres (25 mi) from the Israel–Lebanon border—and Israeli forces are to gradually withdraw from southern Lebanon. A five-country monitoring panel, led by the United States, will oversee the implementation, with 5,000 Lebanese troops deployed to ensure compliance. Israel retains the right to strike should it face immediate threats to its security.

The deal came after significant losses for Hezbollah, including the death of its leader Hassan Nasrallah and IDF claims that it destroyed much of Hezbollah's military infrastructure and missile arsenal, alongside Israeli struggles in its land campaign against Hezbollah. A day earlier, Israeli soldiers arrived at the Litani River for the first time in the war. Israel's security cabinet endorsed the agreement with a 10–1 vote. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stated that the ceasefire allows Israel to focus on the Iranian threat, replenish its military forces, and isolate Hamas, while also pledging to respond to any attempts to install missiles or dig tunnels near the border. The ceasefire was hailed as a significant accomplishment for the Biden Administration, with US President Joe Biden stating that the agreement was "designed to be a permanent cessation of hostilities." He further emphasized that "what is left of Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations will not be allowed to threaten the security of Israel again."

While the ceasefire offers a temporary relief to both parties, there are concerns over the potential failure to enforce the terms, mirroring the situation following the 2006 Lebanon war and UN Resolution 1701, which called for Hezbollah to disarm. The Lebanese army, weakened by economic crisis and insufficient resources, faces a challenging task in maintaining order in southern Lebanon. Many Lebanese are eager for an end to the conflict, but concerns persist that Hezbollah may disregard the ceasefire and rearm in southern Lebanon. On the Israeli side, the prolonged displacement of civilians near the border and the strain on the military continue to drive the need for a solution.

Edit: the person who said it was people moving back home was a Hezbollah MP. Dunno if that's worth taking at face value.

There are countless comments trying to keep in people's minds that Democrats didn't do anything to help people. The end goal is obvious, I don't think I need to spell out to anyone unless it's their first election that the classic cycle is that Republicans fuck things up and Democrats clean it up, but get no credit for it. Same reason users want to focus on "the economy" in a very specific way, despite Biden's clear accomplishments.

https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/the-critics-of-bidenomics-are-being-proven-wrong

Consider some of the headline economic statistics released the last few days, on top of the GDP release. At 3%, inflation is now at its lowest since the pandemic, down from its peak of nearly 10% of last year. Commodity prices have plummeted by at least 50% across the board, ranging from energy, food, agriculture, and metals. Some such as lumber are down a stunning 95% in a year. Even gasoline prices, which have ticked up slightly in the last few weeks, are now lower than pre-Ukraine conflict levels.

Meanwhile, the unemployment rate of 3.7% is at a 54-year low, and the unemployment rate has stayed below 4% for the longest stretch in the last 50 years despite the Fed raising interest rates from 0 to 5.5% in a year. The last time this nation saw such good employment news, LBJ was the president and Bonanza was the top show on TV. In almost every major sector, real wages are now growing faster than pre-pandemic, with record workforce participation, amidst millions of new and returning workers—partially thanks to the workforce training, education, and childcare policies that are core pillars of Bidenomics.

The strength of our economic recovery is not just reflected in the headline statistics. In the private sector, corporate earnings calls this last month have resulted in many major companies across sectors beating their expectations by a healthy margin, and many CEOs are raising financial guidance for the rest of the year due to the stronger-than-expected economy.

Biden turned things around, and no one here will give him any credit because it didn't happen fast enough.

I just disregard anyone acting like Democrats can't get anything done like I have every election, because Republicans don't help whatsoever and Democrats do, and it seems people need to learn this lesson again. Buying into the idea that Democrats are inept got us here instead of a continuation of the above.

Odd, I find none of this personal opinion resonating in reality. IRA led directly to ~100000 new jobs.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/a-look-at-the-economic-impact-and-progress-of-bidens-inflation-reduction-act-so-far

The Inflation Reduction Act or IRA signed by President Biden back in 2022 invest close to $370 billion to combat climate change, and to date, there's been more than $100 billion in private investment and roughly 100,000 new jobs created in clean energy manufacturing.

Unsure how reducing drug prices for those on Medicare is a criticism...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_Back_Better_Plan

Continued negotiations between Manchin and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer eventually resulted in the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, which was signed into law in August 2022, and incorporated some of the Build Back Better Act's climate change, healthcare, and tax reform proposals while excluding its social safety net proposals.

Calling Manchin any sort of "golden boy" of the Dems tells me everything I need to know about this line of discussion. And that I'm not gonna continue with you because this is venturing more into unfounded personal opinion than fact. I can see you prefer to consider Manchin some sort of instrument Democrats employed to deny people the benefits of the full BBB rather than an outlier of the Democratic party who, along with sinema, voted more in line with Republicans than Democrats. Saying "Democrats showed their true colors" is disgustingly disingenuous.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/kyrsten_sinema/412509

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/joe_manchin/412391

Have a good day!

Edit: nice tonal edits to your comment. I definitely won't be responding to such bad faith discussion.

Edit 2: reading the source I posted answers your question... Highlighted the section you didn't read.

Messaging sounds difficult.

One comment?

If you're claiming to not put all the blame on Dems I look for evidence of it, and in our conversation I found that was substantially lacking except for the comment in which you claimed it. The previous comments in our conversation did not outline your view in that regard.

You know, messaging and all...

Ah, so including the comment I already noted, you blamed abstainers in another conversation. Sorry I was only paying attention to our discussion, in which you did not blame anyone but Dems until the comment I already noted.

Where in your comments did you assign any blame to anyone else but there?

Well I'm pretty glad they tried something like the IRA, chips, and infrastructure.

Where in your comments did you assign any blame to anyone else but here?

Maybe they should have put it on the news.

Weird, I've heard of the IRA, chips, and infrastructure act from the Dems.

If only it had been 2 trillion...

I would welcome the Canadians to annex all the Blue States.

The answer to voting in a fascist is to cede the majority of the nation's territory to them? Those poor fools who weren't fortunate enough to live in a blue state...

Reminds me of what Abraham Lincoln said to the Confederacy: "If you're too stupid not to realize slavery is bad, make your own country. Surely your slaves will realize that blue states are better."

Are you bending my perfectly apt analogy to insinuate the US is over and to lose hope? Because only you are insinuating anything terminal.

Let me just see what even Google AI says about this obvious fallacy:

The fallacy of arguing that we shouldn't report on issues we can't directly change is often called the "do-nothing fallacy" or "perfectionist fallacy"; it essentially states that because a perfect solution isn't available, we should not report on a problem at all, effectively dismissing important information and ignoring potential avenues for awareness and discussion.

Key points about this fallacy:

Ignoring the value of awareness:

Just because a direct action can't be taken immediately doesn't mean reporting on an issue can't raise public awareness, prompt further investigation, or encourage future policy changes.

Oversimplification of complex issues:

It often ignores the potential impact of public discourse on shaping public opinion and influencing decision-makers.

Potential for silencing important voices:

This fallacy can be used to discourage reporting on issues that may be uncomfortable or politically sensitive.

Damn, good points Google, I absolutely agree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

The nirvana fallacy is the informal fallacy of comparing actual things with unrealistic, idealized alternatives. It can also refer to the tendency to assume there is a perfect solution to a particular problem. A closely related concept is the "perfect solution fallacy".

By creating a false dichotomy that presents one option which is obviously advantageous—while at the same time being completely unrealistic—a person using the nirvana fallacy can attack any opposing idea because it is imperfect. Under this fallacy, the choice is not between real world solutions; it is, rather, a choice between one realistic achievable possibility and another unrealistic solution that could in some way be "better".

It is also related to the appeal to purity fallacy where the person rejects all criticism on basis of it being applied to a non ideal case.

"We can't outright fix the problem right now, so we may as well not report on it." Hmm...

Edit: gotta love ninja edits... So now you're saying it's "terminal but treatable and we decided to do nothing"? Why did you back down from just "terminal"? Please restore your original comment. That doesn't break your argument from the fallacy I described above.

Edit 2: now they've deleted their comments. Put em back up, own your fallacy.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/muslims-who-voted-trump-upset-by-his-pro-israel-cabinet-picks-2024-11-15/

Hassan Abdel Salam, a former professor at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities and co-founder of the Abandon Harris campaign, which endorsed Green Party candidate Jill Stein, said Trump's staffing plans were not surprising, but had proven even more extreme that he had feared.

"It's like he's going on Zionist overdrive," he said. "We were always extremely skeptical ... Obviously we're still waiting to see where the administration will go, but it does look like our community has been played."

I truly don't understand this line of reasoning.

"I can't treat the patient so I'm not gonna tell them about their disease."

Ah, well let's hope voters don't need a third warning just from Walmart to realize the danger the next time this pops up.

Hmm but I was told that Harris wouldn't check every box on my list. How can I possibly make a thoughtful decision between not getting everything I wanted and getting nothing?

/S

Edit: what is this I see through this thread? Users downplaying how Democrats are different from Republicans in a post about how Republicans are gonna be worse than Democrats?

My, I might start to think that's a bad angle...