fukhueson @ fukhueson @lemmy.world

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Wow yea COVID huh.

No other way... Huh odd.

I said that?

Til Wikipedia untrustworthy.

Interesting characterization.

You should let Wikipedia know then.

Ah yes, historic grievances again. The context of the article is clearly spelled out, as described previously. My discussion of the matter is pertinent to the content of the article, and I myself am not attempting to broaden context in order to force an angle the article isn't making.

I find none of this funny. And I'm similarly finding no justification for hiding behind civilians.

At least I know what side Russia and Turkey are on, and that's incredibly telling information to me.

This appears to be a clear false dichotomy to me (and wildly speculative opinion), there is obvious room between those two positions, and I won't respond to what I consider bad faith discussion.

Have a good day!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

A false dilemma, also referred to as false dichotomy or false binary, is an informal fallacy based on a premise that erroneously limits what options are available. The source of the fallacy lies not in an invalid form of inference but in a false premise. This premise has the form of a disjunctive claim: it asserts that one among a number of alternatives must be true. This disjunction is problematic because it oversimplifies the choice by excluding viable alternatives, presenting the viewer with only two absolute choices when, in fact, there could be many.

Considering Hamas hid behind them (and Palestinian civilians), I wholeheartedly disagree with your opinion.

When Russia, Turkey, Hamas, and Iran condemn you, I find little reason to believe their collective arguments.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/russia-turkey-hamas-and-others-blast-israels-killing-of-terror-chief-nasrallah/

Russia also criticized Israel for killing Nasrallah, with a statement from the country’s foreign ministry saying it “decisively condemn[s] the latest political murder carried out by Israel” and “once again insistently urge[s] Israel to immediately cease military action.”

Rich coming from the guy who failed to assassinate Zelensky. This really puts all this into perspective for me.

This criticism seems pedantic considering the "rest" of the quote. I'm pretty over this discussion.

Have a good day!

Agree, the dispute over which was it's use militarily. Israel escalated in that attack, and Iran escalated further in it's response by directly attacking a sovereign state. Cool that you've been to the middle east.

I'm honestly confused by the rest of your comment. Including the need to mention your travels.

Yes I understand Iran objectively lied and never told us, directly or indirectly, based on the evidence. The rest of this sounds like your opinion. And as though mistrust should be taken towards our officials.

Well, I believe them, and I agree with their stance on Iran.

This is no longer a factual discussion, and I won't be continuing.

And I picked up on the attempt to incorrectly frame what was said in the quote. Miller did not say all the things you're claiming.

Thank you for confirming that Iran did not tell US officials about the attack. Your sources definitely helped me reach the factual conclusion.

And I'm providing substance to the discussion. What did I say that was discrediting something? Unless something in that quote, you feel, attacks one of your points?

Where is Damascus? Unless that's in Iran, directly attacking Israel the first time seems like an escalation to me...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2024_Iranian_strikes_against_Israel

The attack was the largest attempted drone strike in history, intended to overwhelm anti-aircraft defenses. It was the first time since Iraq's 1991 missile strikes that Israel was directly attacked by the military of another state. Iran's attacks drew criticism from the United Nations, several world leaders, and political analysts, who warned that they risk escalating into a full-blown regional war. Israel retaliated by executing limited strikes on Iran on 18 April 2024.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/13/middleeast/iran-drones-attack-israel-intl-latam/index.html

In a statement released on Telegram, Iran’s Foreign Ministry claimed the attack showed Iran’s “responsible approach to regional and international peace and security at a time [of] illegal and genocidal actions by the Zionist apartheid regime against the Palestinian people.”

However, a host of countries from the Middle East to Europe and Latin America voiced concerns over the possibility for escalation, many of them condemning Iran’s actions.

UN Secretary-General António Guterres called for an immediate cessation of hostilities, saying he was “deeply alarmed about the very real danger of a devastating region-wide escalation.” Regional powers Saudi Arabia and Egypt voiced similar concerns, with Egypt saying it was in contact with “all concerned parties to try to contain the situation.”

Various European countries condemned the attack and expressed support for Israel, with the European Union’s foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell, describing it on X as “an unprecedented escalation and a grave threat to regional security.”

The UK and France both reiterated their commitments to Israel’s security, with British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak saying Iran had “once again demonstrated that it is intent on sowing chaos in its own backyard.”

The Netherlands, Austria and the Czech Republic also condemned the attack and expressed support for Israel, while Spain and Portugal called for de-escalation.

China has also expressed “deep concern” over the escalation, calling on “relevant parties to exercise calm and restraint to prevent further escalations.” It called the attack a “spillover of the Gaza conflict” and urged an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.

Over the past months, American officials have urged Beijing to use its leverage over Iran to help prevent a regionwide conflict. China has been Iran’s biggest trading partner for the past decade and buys 90% of Iran’s oil exports.

In Latin America, Chile and Mexico both condemned the use of force, while Argentina’s President Javier Milei cut short a trip to Denmark to fly back to his country and form a crisis committee. His spokesperson Manuel Adorni said the meeting was to “take charge of the situation and coordinate actions with the presidents of the Western world.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Israeli_strikes_on_Iran

On 19 April 2024 at 5:23 a.m. IRST, the Israeli Air Force launched airstrikes targeting an air defense facility within Iran. The limited airstrikes targeted an air defense radar site at an airbase near Isfahan, in central Iran. Israeli missiles appear to have hit their target directly. Satellite images suggest that a surface-to-air missile battery was damaged or destroyed. There was no extensive damage to the base itself. The attack was launched in response to the Iranian drone and missile strikes in Israel, which itself was an Iranian retaliation for the Israeli airstrike on the Iranian consulate in Damascus.

Iranian media and social media reported minor explosions near Isfahan, where Iran has nuclear facilities, a drone manufacturing facility, and a major airbase. Iranian state media said that Israeli drones flying over the region were shot down by the Iranian Air Defense Force. Three Iranian officials confirmed to The New York Times that Israel was involved. US officials confirmed that at least three missiles from Israeli aircraft had struck Iran. No strikes were reported on Iran's nuclear sites.

According to a senior US official speaking to ABC News, Israeli aircraft, operating beyond Iran's borders, launched three missiles targeting an air defense radar site guarding the Natanz nuclear facility. The official further stated that the assessment indicated the successful destruction of the targeted site. He also said that the objective of the strike was to communicate Israel's capabilities to Iran without escalating tensions further. An Iranian official told Reuters that the explosions were from Israeli drones being shot down, and claimed that there had been no missile attack on Iran.

https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-october-1-2024/

QUESTION: And then both you and the National Security Advisor just a few minutes ago talked about this being a brazen and unacceptable escalation. But does the administration see anything that Israel has done over the course of the last three weeks as escalatory?

MR MILLER: So certainly they have done things to expand the conflict, but if you look at the actions that they have taken, they were bringing terrorists to justice, terrorists who have launched attacks on Israeli civilians. If you look at what Iran did today – we have been warning for some time about the threat posed by Iran arming and funding terrorist groups across the Middle East. And the attack today just demonstrated the danger of those actions. What you saw was Iran launching a state-on-state attack to protect and defend the terrorist groups that it has built, nurtured and that it controls. So there is a difference between the actions that we have seen Israel take to defend its civilians —

QUESTION: Okay, well I’m not suggesting that they’re —

MR MILLER: — and what we’ve – I just – and what we’ve seen Iran take.

QUESTION: I’m not trying to suggest that they are equivalent. I just wanted to make sure that you didn’t see —

MR MILLER: No, you – we have certainly seen Iran – or – we’ve certainly seen Israel expand the nature of its attacks against Hizballah, but it is a very – it is a very different type of attack than what we saw today from a state – a state actor against another state.

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QUESTION: So given that the Secretary and the National Security Advisor just said that this attack by Iran is sort of definitively escalatory in nature. I know that State – you’ve been telling us, the Secretary even told us that for months they’ve – you’ve been encouraging the Israelis not to respond to attacks and provocations in such a way that escalates anything further. Are – is the Secretary going to offer that same advice to the Israelis now in the wake of these missile strikes?

MR MILLER: I’ll say a couple things about that. First, of course Israel has a right to defend itself, as any nation does. In terms of what Israel’s response will be, of course there must be consequences for Iran for this attack. We’ve made clear that there must be consequences. I’m not going to get into what those consequences are today.

But there are things on which we will be coordinating with our Israeli counterparts, and I think in the immediate aftermath of this attack we are going to coordinate with them on what any response might be. I think it’s important that we are able to defeat this attack through successful work with Israel and with our partners, and we will work with them on what a response might look like. But I’m not at the position, just two and a half hours after this event occurred, to offer what that might look like today.

QUESTION: The Iranian foreign ministry people have said that – now that they gave the U.S. – I don’t who – a head’s up in advance of these missile strikes today through diplomatic channels. Is that true?

MR MILLER: That is absolutely false. We had no kind of warning from the Government of Iran that they were going to launch such an attack. Yeah.

I was actually pleasantly surprised by his admission to misspeaking, even though some pundits considered him unprepared for the question. Kind of a breath of fresh air hearing that instead of some distraction.

Personally that moment made him a bit more relatable to me, contrasting with Vance and his stream of lies and excuses.

Something was always after something. But escalations... Like direct attacks...

Edit: I don't personally understand exactly what the point of this is, other than to deny Israel any right to self defense. This in no way backs up your assertions. Also, "attacks on others" is nonsensical to me considering Hamas objectively, and factually, started this war on Oct 7.