I was reading up on this here and saw the same worrying thing in this article
Following high-level negotiations to win over Washington, the resolution no longer dilutes Israel's control over all aid deliveries to 2.3 million people in Gaza. Israel monitors the limited aid deliveries to Gaza via the Rafah crossing from Egypt and the Israeli-controlled Kerem Shalom crossing.
So basically the US delayed the resolution for 4 days while people died, so that they could argue that a UN monitoring mechanism would 'slow' down the process and that Israel should continue to monitor the distribution of humanitarian aid....to the same people they've been desimating and who need the aid.
On which planet does majority of this aid make it to the people it's directed to? It's just going to end up funding more bullshittery and the people who need this aid desperately have their current enemy as the gatekeeper...
Beat winter?? Nah man, it's more like survive winter. Personally, I avoid that asshole if I can and go somewhere where his white bullshit can't be found.
Failing that...I basically just turn into a miserable fuck. There's a kind of freedom you don't normally get to taste; bitter like the winter winds, and as delicious AND angry as the 7th bag of sour candies
I honestly wish it was as hands down as that. What he said appeals to exactly the kind of people it was directed at....and there are so SO many of those people out there. Majority? I don't know; and that in itself is a problem....it should be absolutely obvious that a significant majority of people aren't aligned with him. But its not.
I'll betcha this ends up working to his advantage somehow.
fucking depressed myself with my own comment. I'm going to go take an Ace Ventura style shower
I've found that no matter how big or small an achievement is, if I don't celebrate it I don't really find much meaning in it beyond "I have completed the thing and I am proud of myself for doing so"
Its like commemorating the achievements is where the happiness kicks in because you're taking a moment to make it all about your success. To revel in it, to allow yourself to step back, to look at the forest instead of the trees...to understand where it fits in the series of goals that define the meaning of happiness in your life.
Satisfaction is an external influence that creates a sense of contentment in me. Happiness, on the other hand, is an internal force that can be influenced by external factors but is largely dependent on a bunch of other things like the shit storm going on (or not) in my life at any given moment.
Satisfaction is owning my beach house (and accomplishing everything needed to get to that point). Happiness is sitting poolside at my beach house, in the morning sun, with a cup of coffee and a personal sized joint. Enjoying the warmth of the sun, and the possibilities of the day ahead, and all the hours mine to do with as I please.
Satisfaction is achievement, happiness is freedom to enjoy it
My point is that that standard is fucking horrible on either side.
Without question.
This is the scary part when it comes to "after the conflict". There is an entire population of people for whom violence on this level has been normalized; but vilifying the people caught up in their respective propaganda machines and the machinations of their respective governments isn't going to mend fences down the line. At the geo-political level, they may shake hands and even settle differences one day...but the familiarity with intense violence will need to be reckoned with and reconciled for the general population on both sides.
I agree with you on both points. Whats missing is the difference in definition of "war crime" and "atrocity" by the average citizen. These polls weren't conducted solely on politicians, dignitaries, intellectuals, and the like.
If you don't recognize an act as a war crime any more because of your lived experience. Are you able to willfully apply (or not apply) that label correctly?
Again, thinking about why the poll reflects the attitude towards Hamas + atrocities. Its not a matter of tit-for-tat I think; that is, its not "well they've been committing these 'atrocities' against us, so us doing it to them is valid/justified". I think its "things have been happening and i don't know what a war crime is, so when we do the same thing to them it can't be a war crime...can it?"
In order for "deliberate denial of atrocities" to apply, you have to recognize an atrocity first and then deliberately deny it. Undoubtedly, the case amongst most intellectuals inside Gaza is that they recognize it very well. But I'd argue it isn't true for the average citizen on either side of the fence. I'm talking about the people that are watching all this unfold from inside the border, Israelis and Palestinians. Shop keepers, taxi drivers, etc.
In fact, I'd wager that if a similar poll was conducted on Israeli citizens they'd most likely have a similar response to "did the IDF commit atrocities". Its status quo over there. I'm not debating if these people are right or wrong in their thinking, I imagine there's a whole conversation to be had around the notion.
So while it is definitely not right to say that Hamas did not commit war crimes or that they aren't responsible for atrocities, I think its important to understand (and not vilify) that the very definitions we're using for those terms may not be consistent inside that particular region. And that this should play into our accounting for why only 10% of Palestinians think Hamas committed war crimes.
That's it. That last line, that's all I've been trying to say
Dude, maybe I'm not explaining myself properly because I feel like we're talking about two different things.
You said you "understand why Palestinians support terrorism while locked in a purgatory of occupation and imprisonment" if you understand this, then do you think their (meaning the average person) definitions of certain terms may be different to what we see?
If my definition of normal is not your definition of normal then can you judge the "normalcy"?
Again, I'm not saying this excuses behavior. But I do think it sheds light on why the poll is at 10%. The average Palestinian has seen copious amounts of indiscriminate violence (as has the average Israeli resident), do you reckon they might have a different bar for what constitutes a war crime or atrocity based on what they've been seeing around them for years?
Personally, I think this low poll numbers speaks more to what people are defining as an atrocity over there. Shits gotten so bad that murder is common.
As for talking points...man, I want to apologize for that. I felt myself getting emotionally invested in this back and forth and really shouldn't have said that. I think "apologist" just triggered me because it's gained a bit of a stigma
You're missing the point. For whatever it's worth, I do agree with what you've written here. But what I'm talking about is perspective in understanding why the opinion polls shows the numbers they do.
What I'm NOT talking about is it being an excuse for behaviour. Surely you can understand why attitudes and opinions might differ between geographic regions and due to history.
Get off your soapbox, and try to understand why people think the way they do. You may come closer to actually understanding the nuances of reality instead of cocooning yourself in talking points. It's all about relative perspective if you want to understand numbers being thrown around
Edit:
Just to be more clear, what I'm talking about is the difference between
"Hundreds of Israeli civilians had it coming for the crime of existing, I'm glad that they were gunned down by a terrorist attack, this isn't a war crime in the least."
And
"Hundreds of civilians have been killed for years, I've seen it happening and nothing has changed over a reasonable period of time. I guess this isn't a war crime."
It's relative. If you've seen people around you being abused you become a little desensitized to what 'abuse' is. If abuse is normal every day living for one person, and not for another; the later sees it as abuse and the former sees it as another normal day.
Put yourself in the shoes of a Gaza resident anytime in the last 50+ years and consider yourself lucky that your reality allows you to be able to identify an atrocity when you see one.
Consider the reality these people have experienced for generations before leveling judgement on their opinions.
Curious to hear how the experiment turns out, moisture wasn't a consideration for my application all those years ago. You could be right, but I feel like baking soda with the glue might hold the moisture in
White glue and baking soda, you may need a decent amount to spread around. If you glue down some cotton balls below, you can simulate little mounds of snow when you spread the glue+baking soda mix on top
I was reading up on this here and saw the same worrying thing in this article
So basically the US delayed the resolution for 4 days while people died, so that they could argue that a UN monitoring mechanism would 'slow' down the process and that Israel should continue to monitor the distribution of humanitarian aid....to the same people they've been desimating and who need the aid.
On which planet does majority of this aid make it to the people it's directed to? It's just going to end up funding more bullshittery and the people who need this aid desperately have their current enemy as the gatekeeper...