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Well IIRC, for America, the funding money amount for Ukraine is usually just an estimate of the worth of already manufactured goods, mainly of weapons that we have stored that we weren't gonna use in the first place, and only a small portion of the dollar amount is stuff like clothes, food, etc. which would be seen as an actual cost to the US. We have sent Bradleys and M1 Abrams (and some European countries sent Leopard 2A4s? and Leclercs I think), but I'm pretty sure they weren't in use by the military and weren't planned to be upgraded for use any time soon (but I'm just guessing, I can't Google it rn, I may just be completely wrong on that).

It'd be so much better for everyone if we just took all of the funding going to Israel and redirected it to Ukraine. And then we nuke Israel or smthn idk

Erdoğan would if he could

Every food/drink product I see at the grocery store has both US customary and metric units in use, e.g. all the 16.9 fl oz bottles also say 500 mL and I think all the foods are labelled in both oz/lb and grams/kg. I usually see things involving measurements in cm/m as well as in/ft, but not speed since nobody here knows what the fuck a kilometer looks like

Often times it's loitering charges, loitering being a fancy term for "being out in public whenever it displeases a person of authority". Sitting on a public bench, having a picnic, walking on a sidewalk, sleeping in your car, whatever, all of those can and will get you loitering charges depending on your exact location in the United States.

Then you have public intoxication charges which on paper are only supposed to apply if you're causing a public disturbance (despite disorderly conduct already being a charge for that, public intoxication just makes it more severe), but in reality it's mostly used to harass drunk people who couldn't get a ride home, or uber home, and decided not to drive while drunk. I wouldn't be surprised if you had a higher likelihood of getting arrested for public intoxication while drunk walking/public transporting home than of getting arrested for DUI while drunk driving home. But public intoxication and even DUI can also be used if you're sleeping off drunkenness in your car, while the car is turned off.

Affinity for other drugs is very subjective and differs a lot between people who have SUDs and people who don't have SUDs. People who have experienced addiction to one drug will almost always be drawn to other drugs which are relatively similar, even if they're not very comparable in practice. People who have been addicted to hallucinogenic drugs before are significantly more likely to develop an addiction to weed, for example.

They're very different drugs but they both have stimulant effects. A recovering meth addict would likely have an extremely strong reaction to other very different stimulants, like cocaine. It does not necessarily make them all that comparable in practice.

I have literally never said in this entire conversation that Wellbutrin isn't being abused (even though it is very clearly a non-stimulant and mostly non-addictive drug). I stated multiple times that people with SUDs can abuse it. I just pointed out how absurd it is that you think the ability to abuse MDMA and Wellbutrin at all relates to your claim that Adderall is meth.

An apology that would actually mean something is apologizing for your implication that Adderall is meth. This was never about your views on the effects of medications on society. Prescribed stimulant ADHD drugs, despite having some similarities to meth, are completely different to meth, are not even close to as addictive nor do they have nearly as severe side effects as meth. This, plus the fact that prescription ADHD meds are extremely impure, and even compared to pure amphetamines the effects are significantly neutered.

The drugs that the people you speak of are taking are not comparable to meth, and saying "meth" when you mean "Adderall" or "Ritalin" is literally just an insult to psychiatrists and people who use those medications. People use calling it "meth" as a way to push to mostly ban it like meth.

I know this as someone who has used ADHD medications and has immediate family who have had extremely bad meth abuse problems in the past (I live in Georgia, meth is extremely common here and probably the most abused drug other than opiates) and have used ADHD meds before they developed SUDs (ADHD runs in the family). The effects aren't even close to similar, other than things most stimulants have in common like increased heart rate and kind of similar-ish effects on certain chemicals like dopamine and norepinephrine.

Adderall mostly decreases dopamine reabsorption rates, while meth PUMPS you full of dopamine and also decreases dopamine reabsorption rates, for example. When taking clinical dosages of Adderall as a neurotypical, you'll at most feel more confident in your decisions and like you just drank a bunch of caffeine. Take the same amount of street meth and it's not the same story.

You can complain about Adderall abuse, but substituting the word "meth" in its place is extremely misleading at best and downright disinformation at worst.

Again, I don't care how addictive it is-if I were going to go after nasty addictive horrible drugs we use for mental health, I'd spend a year screaming about sertraline nonstop before I so much as suggested Walter white should slow down.

... what?

Its a close relative of some shit we use to destroy ourselves

"close relative" is extremely vague and can mean anything, but a majority of prescription medications have at least one structurally similar illicit drug to them. This is just how chemistry works, different chemical compositions & structures have different effects and, in a medical context, is often the difference between a moderately safe drug and an extremely unsafe drug.

made slightly safer

"slightly" is an understatement, they are much safer, especially considering you can't get even close to recreational amounts and many times people are constantly monitored on your usage because doctors are extremely paranoid that they'll sell them. And amphetamines/dextroamphetamines are not made from meth.

and dispensed in a buffered pill/capsule so we can stuff people into shitty lityle boxes and call them productive (maybe a better society would use it fir self actualization or sonething) And that's... As fine as anything else in this shit hole.

I'm not sure what you're on about, sounds like work culture, but somehow I feel that you're just a little upset towards the government and society.

Sorry but linking a study of abuse by a population mostly consisted of people who already have SUDs says absolutely nothing about how addictive Wellbutrin is other than it has some possibility of addiction for people who already have drug addiction issues.

You can literally abuse anything, even mostly or even entirely non-addictive drugs. People with SUDs have even been shown to develop addictions to placebos with no psychoactive properties. You are very poorly educated if you think that this makes Wellbutrin an "addictive stimulant like cocaine".

The fact of the matter is that Wellbutrin abuse is extremely rare and there is no evidence of it being present in populations without prior history of SUDs. Therefore it is almost always labelled by pharmacologists as "non-addictive".

It's even crazier to imply that, because Wellbutrin can be abused, that somehow makes Adderall = meth??? Clearly you thought it was relevant considering you thought it was relevant that I mentioned specifically MDMA (being an addictive drug) and Wellbutrin (being one that could be abused).

Also the original comments literally said "people are bragging about microdosing meth" and when I said I've never experienced that you responded "Adderall". That is just saying that Adderall is meth. There is no logical jumps there, you literally stated it. How do you twist that as not stating that Adderall is meth?

That's just going to be the experience with nearly every noticeably stimulant drug (and potentially drugs with stimulant effects like weed). It's very much not unique or notable for ADHD medications, especially since ADHD medications are actually mostly not the drug itself (it's packaged in a way to make abuse by those without ADHD or those with SUDs harder).

What in the god damn fuck? Did you just call Wellbutrin, a mostly non-addictive, non-stimulant antidepressant, an addictive stimulant? And did you just equate Wellbutrin, again a non-stimulant antidepressant with no connection to cocaine, to cocaine? Holy shit there's no way. It's literally impossible to get addicted to clinical doses of it, you'd have to be taking an ABSURDLY high, probably illegal, amount over a long period of time to even be able to develop a psychological addiction to Wellbutrin, it's not even close to dangerous unless you have epilepsy or sometimes heart disease. It's actually extremely common to use it in addiction recovery / drug abuse clinics to help patients deal with the neurological affects of withdrawal from other drugs because of how safe it is.

It's also insane that you think "MDMA is an abused drug, so it's the same as meth, also Adderall is meth too". MDMA is a drug with PSYCHEDELIC PROPERTIES. It is figuratively in no way, shape, or form comparable to either meth nor (dextro)amphetamines. You are genuinely delusional making this comparison.

You quite obviously have not read almost all of what I posted. Saying "people with X drug addiction and people with Y drug addiction go to the same clinics, they must be basically the same drug" is possibly the stupidest thing you can say in the context of drug abuse treatment.

The next stupidest thing you could say is that "they increase adrenaline/dopamine/norepinephrine production so they must be the same". Do you know how little that narrows it down? You are now including many antidepressants, anxiety meds, in fact a LOT of non-stimulants and hallucinogens.

I also never stated that ADHD meds aren't stimulants. Where did you pull that out of? In fact I explicitly stated that they are.

You can cry "emotional response" all you want but that does not change the absurdity of calling Wellbutrin an addictive stimulant like cocaine, literally saying that Adderall is meth, and saying drinking 2 panera lemonades on a visit to the restaurant constitutes an addiction and establishing a lethal dosage of caffeine.

I can't even begin to express the absurdity of the take "medicines for mental disorders aren't cures for those disorders so we should get rid of them". That's not even the conversation.

Sorry but you're genuinely crazy. There is absolutely no way you aren't trolling at this point. I could believe you weren't at the "everyone brags about microdosing meth, oh btw meth means all stimulant ADHD medications" because that is a common, and stupid, take by people who don't know anything about drugs. But you've headed in a direction which is just unbelievable.

I can't even bring myself to respond to any more of your garbage anti-science.

Lots of chemicals have relationships like this.

A glass of 10% ethanol - 2 carbons and a hydroxide (OH) - will at best make you slightly intoxicated, that's a strong beer or weak wine. Cut off one of those carbons and you have methanol, now that glass will render you hospitalized and permanently blind at best, more likely dead.

The reality is that for most illicit drugs, there is a medication with a similar structure.

Why do you people keep saying "it's an amphetamine" like it actually means anything? I don't want to have to explain again that generic drug names looking similar doesn't mean they're even remotely the same. Just like how "sodium chloride" has completely different chemical properties to standalone sodium and chlorine.

People with SUDs can't be around medications that can be addictive to people with SUDs. What's your point? This has nothing to do with meth, anyone with a history of drug addictions is heavily scrutinized or just outright denied psychoactive substances, you can be a recovering nicotine addict and many will deny giving you Adderall even if the person has completely debilitating ADD. That's just the nature of drug abuse disorders.

Uhh I don't mix them up. But Adderall and Ritalin are literally amphetamines.

Buddy that means you are mixing them up because "amphetamine" (alpha-methylphenethylamine) and "methamphetamine" (N-dimethylamphetamine) are completely different classes of chemicals and affect the brain in different ways. Their names look similar because they're both substituted amphetamines, which is a generalized type of drugs that literally includes ephedrine, Wellbutrin, MDMA, Parnate, Ionamin, methoxyphenamine, etc., a LOT of drugs that have extremely different effects and are used for extremely different things. You clearly are uneducated on chemistry if you think those are "basically meth".

But just cause it's a prescription and used to treat ADHD doesn't make it not an amphetamine.

Yeah that's LITERALLY THE GENERIC NAME OF THE MEDICINE. One which has a different chemical structure than meth.

It's a stimulant.

So are multiple very common chemicals, some that we even eat and drink on a regular basis.

It's stronger than caffeine

This is a meaningless statement.

caffeine (which people are addicted enough too at the moment

Wtf does this even mean? How do you rationalize "2 people with heart problems died from drinking caffeinated lemonade" as "we have a caffeine drug abuse problem on our hands"? That is a very naïve take on epidemiology.

that lethal doses have been found in Panera lemonade)

The lethal dosage of caffeine for the average person is around 10,000 mg (about 26 of those full lemonades at once). Those people died because they had heart problems and had no idea the lemonade had as much caffeine as an energy drink, they didn't die from "addiction" you imbecile lol.

and being taken like people took cocaine in the 80s to stimulate and assist in keeping up.

Sorry but this is delusional. Also I don't know if you can tell, but cocaine/crack abuse is still everywhere, it's not like it just went away. Do you get all of your drug information from movies?

Useful or not, taking Adderall is taking Meth's sibling

That is one of the dumbest chemistry takes I've ever heard. "These two drugs have a similar shortened generic names so they're basically the same".

and praising how effective it is at being a chemical stimulant.

What does this even mean?

It's pretty tiring hearing people peddle bullshit like "X stimulant drug is basically meth", clearly having not even a basic understanding of pharmacology. Meth and Adderall have extremely differing intended effects and side effects (in particular, meth has VERY bad side-effects and is far more addictive compared to amphetamines), they literally are just both stimulants (as opposed to depressants, hallucinogens, anxiolytics, antidepressants, or antipsychotics) which is a very wide classification of drug.

I don't know how you turned "everyone microdoses meth these days" into "Adderall is meth" into "we have a fatal caffeine addiction problem" but here we are.

How tf do you mix up Adderall and meth? And Adderall is used to treat ADHD, for neurotypical people a clinical amount literally just has nearly the same effects as caffeine or some antidepressants.

It is possible to become a millionaire without exploiting others in the same way the 1% do. I would find a limit somewhere in the tens of millions more reasonable

I have literally never met anyone that has bragged about microdosing on meth. Meth isn't even legal here (although that doesn't make it uncommon)

i guess dyscalcula kinda makes sense at an angle, but how do undiagnosed dyslexia and dysgraphia affect your financial literacy?

Depends on the language. I'm not gonna find shit to copy-paste for what I'm doing in Scala 3 or F#, but in Rust or C++ I'll frequently Google an issue I can't figure out and someone will have some fancy black magic hacker solution with super-iterators and turbofishies and weird type inference that I couldn't think of myself and just throw it in my code with some minor modifications :)

Presumably not anyone on Lemmy

You have to manually approve of giving each permission on Android, and camera and files/images are separate permissions (so giving access to the camera doesn't require giving access to your files). And you can make it so they only have access to it while you use the app. If you take a random picture and then uninstall, they get nothing except that random picture.