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Why do you mention “duty”? there is no obligation. I simply mean that they are a state capable of deciding their own path.

same in all directions, really.

A) There is no second source verifiable proof it’s for weapons. Only “super secret promises of proof” by the same people that printed claims hamas has bunkers under hospitals.

B) They should have weapons. After all, Israel does.

C) There have been no indications of testing, something verifiable and easily seen, something necessary to make weapons.

Iran should if they so desire have weapons too. After all, the US and Israel do. Two nations who are doing crimes live in front of our eyes.

For the record, pun intended, “confidential report” means “no evidence.” Remember the Gulf of Tonkin?

There is no such thing as a preemptive strike when Israel has no articulated reason to believe Iran was going to harm them. Iran, by rights written in that silly UN, has the RIGHT to strike back defending itself.

Israel wants a larger war because that gaslights the greater nations into conflict, destroys more working class people, and brings about greater profit for Israel’s owners.

All nations are bad. Do not get that wrong.

But Israel, not even truly a nation, is a fucking terrorist organization.

And that means they cannot have nuclear energy?

were you speaking about Iran or the US? It’s hard to tell.

One side is a signatory to a nuclear nonproliferation agreement who is trying to create a nuclear energy program for civilian energy, under watchdog guidance for 40+ years.

The other side is Israel. A nation committing a genocide, with the full backing and support of another nation, the US, who itself is the only nation, in the history of the world, to use nuclear weapons. Ever.

on either side

You need to be. One side is a signatory to a nuclear nonproliferation agreement who is trying to create a nuclear energy program for civilian energy, under watchdog guidance for 40+ years.

The other side is Israel. A nation committing a genocide, with the full backing and support of another nation, the US, who itself is the only nation, in the history of the world, to use nuclear weapons. Ever.

One side has really good propaganda and makes you think “both sides are bad.”

Godspeed, Iran.

for sure. they will certainly be pissed and frustrated and hopefully boot nazi netanyahu out of office.

correct! i absolutely remember that. which means sometimes when I say “Israel” people think I mean working class folks trying to get by. However those folks are not zionists. Zionists do not count as “folks” in this formula.

The entire premise behind Israel as a project state is the marketing that they are doing “the right thing.” It has nothing to do with the Jewish faith. It has everything to do with zionism, genocide, and profit.

They know they are the bad guys here. They don’t care.

“Ain’t no war but class war, baby .”

I truly don’t think there are any except for working class factions trying to push back colonialism and genocide - and specifically regarding the US/Israel, the reason it’s not marketed as a world war is because there is documented proof they are doing the evil here.

We are already “in” ww3, except because the US and Israel and their allies are the bad guys, it’s not marketed as such.

well when you consider the math, “all” is simply indicative of a rounding. 99.9999% is basically “100%”.

So while one in a million may be Coppy McPerfectface, that doesn’t matter.

I suppose that was indeed a little harsh and reactionary of me. They are, indeed, working class people. I may not respect their choice, or the system that exploits them, and the ones that “push back” can go fuck themselves.

But you are right. Compassion for those “waking up” is important!

Thanks for the link!

For sure! Help those simple minded kids get out when they get the slightest smell of “this ain’t right.”

Remind them all that THIS is not worth a lifetime of regret even if it does mean you can preboard your delta flight back to FL to see your grandkids.

I think it is, in the modern era, completely used to bolster corporate profits, destroy lives, spread violent hegemony and exploit the working class all over. So. Yeah.

Our US nation is not the “world police” and the members who wish to leave need help and support in getting out. While they acknowledge they were actually and really brainwashed through professional propagandist workflows.

The ones that rock Punisher logos and “Terrorist hunting permits” and “Don’t tread on me” flags on their F250s need to be ignored at all points in the day. They are already too far gone.

if they had decency and basic sense they would not have volunteered in the first place. The trick now is to grow what little incipient hatred they have into a consciousness and recognition that they are being abused because of their class.

edit: the initial reply was harsh - those who need help after getting sucked in are the decent ones - they are “waking up.” I may hate the military and the dicks who keep supporting it, but do want compassion for the ones who realized they were tricked into joining as children and need to get the heck out.