Ethan @ firelizzard @programming.dev

Principal Engineer for [Accumulate](https://gitlab.com/accumulatenetwork/)

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I thought there was security code to stop that kind of thing. Granted, it's been over 10 years since I've done anything with Java more than tinkering with Minecraft mods.

Objective-C does not enforce method access (e.g. private methods) at the runtime level. If you are sufficiently determined, there are no restrictions on what methods you can call, unlike Java or C# (AFAIK).

To me that ‘meme’ is like someone making an “Eggs aren’t meat” meme. Technically correct, I agree with the factual part of the statement, but the meme is dumb and pointless, like a bad joke. Unless the point is to belittle, in which case the poster deserves to be forced to do front end dev and deal with irrational user complaints until they repent or end up huddled in a corner mumbling incoherently, either or.

It’s like sexism. I don’t have time for that shit. If people were being sexist, bigoted, or belittling frontend devs at my job I’d tell them to get their heads out of their asses, or find a new job and then tell them. Fortunately I currently work with people who don’t suck.

The first part of this article is taking about naming, and then heavily implies “CSS/HTML is not a programming language” is equivalent to devaluing front end developers. But that’s not the case, at least not for me.

Front end is hard. It is obnoxiously hard and requires both artistry and technical skill. And it’s critical to the success of anything that has a front end.

But I still say, “CSS/HTML is not a programming language”, because they’re not Turing complete. A programming language is something you can write a program in, without any other languages. It’s a matter of definition, not a matter of valuation. CSS and HTML are difficult and critical to get right but they’re a different kind of thing from programming languages.

Go is just as easy. Install the compiler, write a file, compile it, get an exe. And a lot less foot-guns.

VSCode has tons of features that save a lot of time. Unless Zed manages to get close to feature parity, I don’t see how it can complete from a productivity point of view. VSCode’s UI performance isn’t stellar but it’s not nearly bad enough to counteract the productivity boost I get from its features.

I’m in this comment and I don’t like it

I agree that it is a very useful skill to know how to use the CLI. I agree that every senior developer should know how and every junior should be capable of learning. I vehemently disagree that developers should use the CLI as their regular means of interacting with Git if that is not their preference.

When it happens? That happened to me a long time ago. I’m still a backend developer. I can create UIs and I can spin up and manage docker CI infrastructure but I sure as hell don’t want to. A properly run company team should have separate professionals for UX, front end, back end, sysadmin, etc. Just because I am capable of doing those things does not mean I should.

"I'm capable of not making a fool of myself with UI" does not equate to "I'm a full stack developer"

You don't have to be a full stack dev for that to happen to you

Fuck that, I don't trust executables unless they're signed, downloaded securely (e.g. HTTPS), and I trust the source I downloaded them from. Anything else might as well be a virus. If I can't find a signed binary from a trustworthy source, I'm either not using it or I'm going to build it myself (after skimming through the code).

*when I'm doing debugging that requires commenting out code.

Most of the time, I don't comment out code. I run the code in a debugger, step through it, and see how the behavior deviates from what I expect. I mostly only resort to commenting out code if I'm having trouble figuring out where the problem is coming from, which isn't that often.

I'm definitely biased because I love the language, but I think Go is a good place to start. The authors talk about the language design more than I've seen for other languages. The Go blog occasionally has posts like that but Russ Cox's blog is the place to go for the gnarly details. Another good place is the proposals repo, e.g. the generics proposal. I also browse issues on GitHub and look for ones with interesting discussions.

including the syntax, which I know most nerds dismiss as superficial.

Syntax is mostly irrelevant as far as what is possible with a language, but it is a critical aspect of how easy/hard it is to use a language, and most critically how easy/hard it is to read code written in that language. IMO the only thing that's more important than readability is whether the code works as intended.

You get used to it. The only time I really notice it these days is when I’m debugging and commenting out code.

I totally agree that it’s really annoying when debugging, but go run literally builds then executes. I think what they should do is add a build flag. So debug builds can pass that flag to get the builder to shut up, and leave it those errors enabled for production builds.

You’re also a programming language design nerd? Like, “Compare the features of language A to those of language B”, or nerding out about the underlying mechanics of things like generic types, virtual method dispatch, and no-stop garbage collection? I thought I was the only one. Well not the only one but it doesn’t seem that popular of a thing to nerd out over.

I think the degree of footgun danger depends a lot on the language and the application. I agree that C and C++ are dangerous until you really know what you're doing, though IMO most of the danger comes down to memory management and that's a portable skill, once you've learned it. That being said, I don't have a lot of experience with C++. C was my first language so I'm used to plain old normal boring pointers (are those "dumb pointers"?) and I've never understood why C++ needs 9 billion types of pointers.

Go has one particular footgun - loop range variables. Other than that, IMO high-level, garbage collected languages don't have major footguns like that. My first job was writing a bespoke inventory system for a manufacturing company, and I wrote it in a language I'd never used before - C#. In five years the only major issue that had was due to my inexperience with SQL and had nothing to do with C#. And though I haven't written nearly as much code, I'd say the same about Java, Ruby, Python, and JavaScript.

Did I find another Sanderfan in the wild?

As my first job out of college (when I didn't know what I didn't know) I was hired to build a bespoke inventory system for a manufacturing company. My prototype became a production system the second I showed it to one of the engineers. The next three months of my life were a living hell as I frantically fixed bugs on a live system. Lesson learned.