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  • It's kinda weird around here, because the law doesn't ban paper bags, but all the stores around me stopped carrying them in favor of thicker 'reusable' plastic bags.

    At least the 'reusable' plastic bags fold up and fit nice in my purse, so I can actually reuse them, but I'm pretty sure most people treat them as single use plastic.

  • Yeah, I personally struggle with the concept of 'privilege' because of this, and I'm AFAB. My introduction to privilege was a man telling me that my life had been easy because of my skin tone. He linked to an article about how privilege was 'easy mode' and tried to say that being a rape victim wasn't an excuse for finding his rape jokes in poor taste, I was born more privileged than him and just needed to sit with my discomfort. I quit that particular activist group after that, since it was clearly not as feminist as they wanted people to think.

    This was ten years ago, and I still can't help but wonder what definition of 'privilege' people are rolling with when they use the term, because the pop culture version is so fucked up.

    It doesn't help that I was raised to have the 'complaining is just insulting people who have it worse' mindset. Thanks to that, even the 'not being set back as far' rhetoric has a big unspoken 'so stop making a big deal out of it' attached that the pop culture definition plays into. Like, I chose to be homeless to escape my abusive family, and I feel like a poseur when I talk about it because I'm alive and housed now, so it clearly wasn't that bad.

  • Teddy sniffing glue, he was twelve years old, fell from the roof on East 2-9, Cathy was eleven when she pulled the plug, twenty six reds and a bottle of wine.

    But people don't like that song, so you're right about not wanting to talk about it.

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  • I understand “corporal punishment”, in the context we are talking, is severe and recurrent physical aggression; that is not what I intended to parse when I mentioned “extreme measures”.

    I was using the legal definition of corporal punishment as currently allowed in schools, "the deliberate infliction of physical pain by hitting, paddling, spanking, slapping, or any other physical force used as a means of discipline." What you consider 'extreme measures' is still considered corporal punishment, but it's on the lighter end. My elementary school principal proudly displayed the wooden spanking paddle on his desk, he had a little stand for it and everything.

    At an intuitive level, something tells me this is not about discipline and education but control, physical and mental.

    Of course it's about control, discipline and control are synonyms? It's even said that kids are being 'out of control' if they misbehave in public and parents are encouraged to spank their kids in the middle of the grocery store to reestablish dominance. The general perception is that kids 'test' their parents control through misbehavior, and parents are shamed if they let challenges to their authority stand. It's supposedly to train kids for the strictly hierarchical world they're allegedly entering as adults,

    Again, that's without the religious aspect that says everybody is tainted with the evil of Originial Sin at birth, and that an evil demigod is really good at telling kids to misbehave so he can build his army in hell. There's parenting manuals I grew up with that straight up said an infant crying is following satan and trying to manipulate their parents. It was encouraged to put crawling babies on a blanket and switch them with a plastic ruler if they tried to crawl off the blanket without permission. The holy book specifies that 'the wages of sin is death', so using implements to hit your kids with is a generosity in comparison.

    I’ll read your link a bit later. Thank you.

    It is long and a hard read, but it's truly an eye opening experience for people who didn't grow up with American Evangelicalism.

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  • But let me add one caveat: under extreme circumstances, extreme measures are required.

    And it should be up to the parent to show that it was indeed an extreme circumstance that needed an extreme reaction, it shouldn't be assumed. There was an undercurrent of catrastophization in a lot of the abuses I witnessed, where a parent or teacher assumed that if a child's disrespect went unpenalized, they'd lip off to a biker and get killed, and that was used to justify corporal punishment. It could have been dangerous, therefore corporal punishment was required. It wasn't seen that the child viewed them as a safe adult to vent about how stupid their homework was, their judgement was not to be trusted and they needed to be penalized as if they had insulted a stranger's mother. And that's not taking the religion aspect into consideration, where you can substitute 'killed by a biker for insulting him' with 'go to hell for eternity for thought-crimes' and corporal punishment starts sounding more appealing.

    As far as the religion aspect goes, I actually have an archived article that explains it with far more eloquence than me. I sent it to my therapist a while back to help explain my standing. https://archive.ph/Dre0R

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  • I grew up in Oklahoma, and the cops showed up once when I was around 7 because I was being abused. They said my stepdad was allowed to hit me and made it understood that I was the one disturbing the neighbors and I needed to behave.

    The Oklahoma board of education is just now this year making legislative headway into a law banning teachers from hitting disabled students. Not all students, just disabled students. They've been arguing about it for years because there's enough parents saying that being allowed to hit a kid with crutches is part of their religion.

    You are very lucky to have grown up somewhere other than the US. I can't wrap my head around this level of abuse not being normal. It sounds wonderful.