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I’m not saying “oh, it was the 70s, fag meant something else” (even though that’s true - 60 years have gone by!). I’m saying that taking that comment out of context and labeling the guy as a bigot is some 2023 shit. Lennon was, by his own admission, bisexual - and it’s entirely possible that he actually hooked up with Epstein (and Elton John, later on).

I’m not defending the comment, to be clear. It’s quite nasty. But using that to label him as a homophobe/bigot is an absurd reach.

He was an asshole fwiw, and the domestic/child abuse is completely inexcusable. But for fucks sake, he was probably referring to hippies with that comment.

And honestly, it is important to view things in historical context. Being supportive of an quasi-openly gay person (and letting them manage your career!) when it was criminal takes balls, and that’s not something that should be erased because of one nasty quote.

Easy to throw stones in 2023. That seems horrid now, of course, but homosexuality was literally criminalized in the UK in the 60s - the same time period where they had a gay manager. Look into the sexual tension/love affair between Epstein (Brian, not Jeffrey) and Lennon. Dude was genuinely progressive for the times (over half a fucking century ago, y’all) and to shape that as bigotry is borderline misinformation.

Rag on him for beating his wife, not this silly shit

Edit: here’s some actual context about this notorious “bigot”. https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/john-lennon-the-beatles-song-defend-brian-esptein-sexuality/

I’m voting for the geezer in 2024, but let’s be real - Dems will never give us a better option. Biden is genuinely a pretty good president comparatively (imo), but real change will not come from either mainstream party. Don’t forget what they did to Bernie in 2020, or why Buttigieg is the Secretary of Transportation. (They’re the same)

Having sympathy for Vietnam vets is the same thing, except culturally acceptable for Americans. You can root for Russia to lose and also mourn the lives lost in a war that civilians were forced to participate in.

Dumb mods!

Where fourth party?

God, aren’t those Jims just beautiful

You shouldn’t be so rude when you’re just dead wrong

Damn I’ve never seen someone live tweet brain damage

nah leave it was a fun read

Yeah sure I’ll drive my fucking gun to work

Ah yes, nobody talks about the daily news of someone killing dozens of people with knives, old tools, and/or cars! We should absolutely not worry about guns while these clearly significantly more dangerous weapons are allowed to proliferate so easily!