elbucho @ elbucho @lemmy.world

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I don't know who is making that argument, but it is a stupid argument. And besides, it doesn't address the point at all. If, for example, Biden made those material compromises with progressives that you describe, and a "moderate" or "liberal" decides not to vote for him when his opponent is Donald Trump, then I would be in the exact same situation with them that I am currently in with you: asking them "do you believe that Donald Trump is fundamentally worse for America than Joe Biden"?

You've argued that I am holding you to a different standard by asking it, but have just demonstrated that that is nonsense. So will you answer now?

I mean, probably? If someone decides that they don't want to vote because they have a moral quandary with voting for the "lesser of the two evils", then that person doesn't make rational sense to me. So I'd be curious. Their political leanings don't really matter in that scenario. Out of curiosity, why would you think that I wouldn't ask the same questions of anybody else who said the same things you did? I mean, you're just text on a screen to me. I don't know you from Adam, so why would you think that I would have intimate knowledge of your political positions at the outset of our conversation?

I'm sorry, but you're going to have to explain that to me. I have no idea what you mean by that. How is asking you your opinion on the relative impact of each potential president holding you to a standard at all, let alone one that's "different from moderates and liberals"? It's not a difficult question. Do you not know the answer?

What you're doing isn't clever, nor effective.

Well now I'm very curious as to what you think I'm doing. Because I think I'm asking you to make a judgment call about which of the two candidates who have a shot at becoming president would be better for America. It's a very simple question. What do you think I'm doing?

Ok - you didn't answer either question. You gave me a bunch of reasons why you dislike Biden, but no opinion on whether a second Trump presidency would be worse for America than a second Biden presidency. This isn't a trap; I want to know whether we have a basic level of agreement here.

Ok, so what's your solution, then? Actually - first, let's make sure we're on the same page about the basics: do you agree that Donald Trump would be fundamentally worse for America than Joe Biden? Second, do you agree that any candidate other than the winners of the Democratic and Republican primaries basically stands no chance of becoming president?

I mean, I agree it would be great if Biden was a better candidate. I'd be a whole lot less worried about a second Trump presidency if that were the case. But he's not a better candidate. He is who he is. And though he hasn't earned your vote, you should give it to him anyway because it's in your best interest to do so.

You ok, bud?

That wasn't really the message. The message is more: "Please stop with the hyperbole. You know that Donald Trump is the worst possible candidate imaginable." Which is absolutely true.

Right message, very much the wrong messenger. Like it or not, Hillary, a significant number of people in this country despise you. I don't think that's at all fair, but them's the breaks. You're not helping.

NBC's journalists and anchors objected not because she was a conservative, or even a Trump ally, but because she had played an active role in trying to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential race...

I don't know, man. All three of those things seem like really good reasons to not hire her. I have no idea how it's possible for Cesar Conde to be so incredibly out of touch with reality to think that Ronna fucking McDaniel would be a good pick for a host. Like, holy shit.

...such as the suppression of fire, or the psychical thinning of fuels in forests, or prescribed burns.

I'm definitely picturing Jedi clearing debris from the forest floors using the Force, now.

So, Kobach et al's complaint is that the plan to replace lead pipes is underfunded and so probably won't cause enough of an impact on lead levels in drinking water to even bother, and yet the reason it's underfunded is because Republicans specifically voted to not fund it properly. So instead of funding it 100% (or close to 100%), they chose to only fund about 1/3rd of what it would cost to replace all of the lead pipes.

It almost seems like Republicans want potential voters to imbibe neurotoxins that will negatively impact their IQ, harm their ability to concentrate, and make them more easily swayed by emotional appeals. I wonder why that could be?

Those shorts allow him to take an incredibly wide stance.

Whoops, my bad. You are absolutely correct, of course.

In the immortal words of Romeo: "It's all gravy", baby.

How so?

I really can't comprehend the level of hate that these motherfuckers must possess to write or support such a bill. I mean, let's say you're an incredible asshole who doesn't think that trans people exist, like you think that you know who they are much better than they actually know themselves. Even with that as a baseline, isn't it still just the polite thing to treat them with basic respect?

If I found out that someone I just met preferred to use their middle name instead of their first name, I would 100% use that person's middle name when addressing them. It's just common courtesy. The same thing goes with a person who's transitioning - I will use their preferred name, because I'm not a completely deplorable piece of shit.

But this guy is way worse than someone who intentionally antagonizes people by using their disliked name when addressing them. This guy wants to actively punish anybody who has the rock bottom bare minimum of civility by destroying their lives and livelihoods.

I just can't grasp that level of hatred. How is it that this piece of shit shares enough genes with everybody else that he's recognized as human?

I just wish that one of those chucklefucks on the police board would stop for just 5 seconds and think: "What are we incentivizing, here?"

I occasionally forget mine, too, but I was fortunate in that I was born in 1970, so it's really easy to calculate it on the fly.