dx1 @ dx1 @lemmy.world

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Not impressed.

Then don't attack people based on bullshit reasoning and then launch into these back and forths about how they're wrong for defending themselves.

I am not "going out of my way to play the persecuted martyr", I opened the Lemmy home page and "post trashing vegans" was post #3. I thought I left this shit behind when I left reddit, but now it's here too.

Not using animal products is not exhausting. I've done it for a decade and it's a remarkably easy change where 99% of the difficulty comes from the wider society being hostile to it.

It is an ethical position based on an actual reality of animal agriculture causing vast suffering that we have chosen to opt out of supporting. It is absolutely reasonable and selfless to advocate for the rights of others at a minor, negligible personal sacrifice. It is not a sign of a need to shame others, a need to be a martyr, or any other personality defect that you're going to project on vegans based on a stereotype despite knowing NOTHING about any of us as individuals. Nobody is trying to make you "feel ashamed", we are pointing out objective facts about how the animal ag industry causes harm to animals, and then people like you, like you're doing in this comment, right here, launch into this whole frigging diatribe about how vegans are shaming you and judging you and have a god complex and should just shut up and go back into their corners, because god forbid anyone should ever suggest that anything you're doing is less than perfectly ethical.

It's bullshit. I don't know what else to tell you. I've been living with this for years and it's absolute bullshit. Your position is wrong, it's not a statement about you as a person, it's a statement you should change your behavior. We are NOT at fault for showing the truth of the matter, that's just a reactionary and ignorant position that people use to try to rationalize what's convenient for them.

In absolutely no way is that "preaching".

Yeah, says the guy who posted the frigging thing to begin with.

You're literally lumping people into the stereotype that they're obnoxious and preachy based on them defending themselves against public accusations that they're obnoxious and preachy. That's an irrational, circular stance.

Yes, this is the typical reaction people have to vegans saying ANYTHING. It is not fun for us to live our entire lives prohibited from ever being able to say what WE THINK. You clearly do not have experience being a vegan, the social reception you get for taking a perfectly reasonable stance is just open hostility that you're not even allowed to defend yourself against. Which is on full display to anyone reading this thread.

I have a pretty good sense you posted something inflammatory and obnoxious in a vegan community, and frankly that doesn't excuse you being hostile to vegans elsewhere, even if it was something you wrote in good faith and got banned for. Pointing out "hypocrisy" on the part of a group of people with heterogenous beliefs does not make sense.

The trivialization of animal wellbeing, of all opposition to animal agriculture.

"Eating animals is wrong" "Lol animals are tasty tho". Maybe you don't see the position being taken there, but it's there.

He replied to me acting like I was at fault for defending myself. IDK why you're going on this tangent of all the perceived slights vegans have done against you by speaking their minds. This is really fucked up, tbph, there's a completely unreasonable expectation that vegans are never to speak about the ethics of animal agriculture to anyone.

Yeah, this is complete trash.