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^ I remember this dude was on the last post like this too. I think that "they've been real quiet since the election" post in PoliticalMemes that got me banned from the sub.

I don't know about you, but I don't "parrot". Someone can be capable of thorough independent thought and be unwilling to support politicians complicit in/actively committing genocide. Crazy, I know.

Nobody told you the killing would stop if Trump won. The minority of people in the U.S. who have a serious problem with genocide (enough to push them to action) mostly expressed extreme disillusionment at a political system where genocide has become acceptable enough to vote for across a broad majority of the population, and an unwillingness to support anyone responsible.

Your logic of "one genocide supporter would be worse than the other" is not compelling to anyone who's thought about it for more than a few minutes.

I would put forward the argument that Democrat voters are obsessed with appearances and rhetoric, and completely ignore policy that contradicts the ideals they think of themselves as having. You criticize Elon Musk doing Nazi symbolism, great. Count how many comments you've posted about that, and then give me the ratio of those to the number of comments you posted criticizing Biden for sending ~30 billion dollars of arms to a genocide. Because, at the end of the day, the biggest problem with Nazism was that it resulted in genocide. You might remember from school that genocide is LITERALLY THE WORST THING EVER BESIDES COMPLETE NUCLEAR ANNIHILATION OF THE PLANET.

I'd like to see a minimum of 1:100 on those comments. I get the feeling it's less.

Just scrolling through the comments here, people's takes vary from bad to good, but everyone's comment is only as long as the text they wrote. Then you jam this huge, not really relevant meme into discussion of an actual life or death issue for millions of people, which is just playing off of a pun on the name "John Goodman". And your comment isn't any better. You make a bunch of really off-base, unsubstantiated attacks on the guy you're replying to. You don't really seem to understand why they even brought up being Palestinian. You ignore the 100% legitimate criticism that you voted for someone complicit in genocide, brushing it off as "the only thing you could do" (it wasn't). Then you accuse them of trying to sound "edgy".

Buddy, your comment is bleeding "trying to sound edgy". What is this meme doing here? Where is your sense of responsibility or shame? You are joking about a genocide.

"Bias" makes it sound like there isn't a completely impartial case to be made against them. Like the most meticulously documented genocide in human history.

This was exactly the point of him doing it like this. Notice your confusion on the specifics. People hear about the restriction, but not the lifting. Creates a fog of ambiguity, US media doesn't report on the actual arm shipment statistics, Democrats get the illusion he's actually doing something good. Meanwhile, the bombs he sent were enough to demolish Gaza - and did. Already. I think the last statistic was "88% destroyed", though that's from memory.

The internet is the foundation for the solution. This is the only thing that evaporates the illusions and divisions rulers create for their own benefit. Otherwise we end up with red scares, witch hunts, inquisitions, and all the other same crap from history. Unfortunately they're chipping away at it - centralized social media is a powerful propaganda tool with no constitutional restraints, as is online censorship and surveillance.

What?

Fascism is a massive violent manifestation of ignorance. The only real solution is to undo the brainwashing of humanity - their brainwashing with religion, their brainwashing to accept abusive hierarchical rule, all of it. Everyone must fully understand.

People responding with "guns", "WW2" - we did that already, 70 million people died, and here we are again. Why and how did it come back? What is the actual source of the problem? Treating this problem as only solvable with mass murder isn't exactly putting you on the moral high ground. What conditions give rise to acceptance of fascist beliefs, or the acceptance of a fascist leader? What are the mental, social, cultural, behavioral traits of the people that do accept that? How can those traits be prevented from forming?

A key element to defeat things like fascism, which build themselves on the popularity of fear, is that voting can’t be free-for-all. Voting should require, or be weighed with, some sort of licensing, testing of sane mind, awareness and understanding of at least current events, review of known association with dangerous anti-society parties, etc.

This is inherently anti-democratic. Who decides who's qualified to vote? Is it you, with your infallible understanding of every issue?

OK, so a bit over a third of the population doesn't care enough to vote. Not for anyone - D, R, or any third party. Let's assume they're mostly uneducated. What happens to the polling results when you compel them to vote?

I think compelling voter turnout is the last thing you should be even considering. The first real problem is education - nobody understand anything about government - not what fascism is, not how the economy works, not what imperialism is, nothing of real substance. The second problem is this "lesser of two evils" bullshit that has even the slightly-more-educated half of the population voting for mass murderers, which you can't resolve in first-past-the-post majority rule elections, at least not with the stupid mindset everyone has right now. Electoral college is a similar problem. And what about the problems with "representative" government both failing to represent and manipulating public will for the benefit of powerful lobbies? How about systemic reform that removes their power?

You thought about any of these things?

Really sleepwalking into the plot of The Matrix, aren't we.

Ideally without 60-70 million people dying. (looks up "how to unbrainwash people")

He lifted this ban,

I'll say it again. Biden sent FOURTEEN THOUSAND of these bombs already - and that was as of 7 months ago. Enough to literally wipe out half of the population of Gaza.

recognizes the settlements

The fact that you'd say this without specifying which ones really speaks to how little you know about this. The Golan Heights, which the Biden admin already calls as "Israel"? East Jerusalem & the West Bank, which the Clinton admin bantustan-ized in the Oslo Accords and which every subsequent admin recognizes the Palestine side of even less? The Biden administration does not recognize the international consensus on "Israel" having the pre-1967 borders. They don't recognize Palestine, at odds with the international consensus. The entire country was literally formed by ethnic cleansing in the first place. The Biden administration did like three token sanctions on random West Bank settlers, with no recognition that state officials were behind the policy of annexation and the complicity of the military in it.

And what "free election"? 8 years of Biden & Obama admins came and went. The last election in Palestine was under BUSH, and the official U.S. policy, after Hamas (which is a political party, mind you) won a majority of seats in the parliamentary runoff election, was to support the Palestinian Authority in overthrowing the results of the election in an illegal coup, resulting in the civil war that left Hamas in power in Gaza. The U.S. rejection of the election results has been the norm across Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1, and Biden. Not to mention that the entire premise of an election - democracy - is at odds with the fundamentally Jewish supremacist nature of "Israel", a state founded on ethnic "purism", exclusion, apartheid and genocide of an indigenous population, and endless regional expansionist warfare. The U.S. policy is "we accept a complete racial divide and military occupation based on the supremacy of that race in the region, but oh yeah, we'd love if the underclass might eventually have elections or something....I mean, as long as they vote for who we want".

So if you didnt vote for Harris you didnt just completely doom palestinians but also your country.

You think because, out of all the non-Trump voters, your group was in the majority, that everyone who didn't side with you must have been wrong. But you voted for an absolute monster and psychopath, as willfully complicit in genocide as Biden (who you would have voted for also) was. You people split the vote from candidates who aren't complicit in mass murder, and you still have the gall to accuse everyone else of being the problem. The person you voted for was so far beneath the standards of a free and decent society that some of us couldn't even stomach it (and not even enough to swing the election, mind you).

It's always the refrain of people doing something horribly immoral, that anybody taking the higher road is just doing "virtue signalling" or "preaching their moral purity". This is just rationalization. You cannot confront your own faults, the deep, horrific faults of your society, so you blame the few lone dissenters who realize that absolute fundamental change is the only path out of this. The 1% of people who voted De la Cruz or Stein did not decide the outcome of this election. 98% of you voted for an absolute monster.

Now what is the point of a representative democracy? We pick the candidate that will do the best by us. Right? You have all completely abandoned that premise. Every election, a D and an R run, one of them wins, they do absolutely whatever they want, and as long as you think the Republicans are even 0.0001% worse, you'll vote for the D. You never abandon that group. This completely sacrifices any power the people have, because we don't have federal referendums, we don't have non-FPTP elections, we don't have recalls, we don't have no confidence votes, we don't have null votes, we ONLY get to vote in these elections, and our single power to control this system is completely neutered. All they have to do is find a single issue where they even SOUND better than the Republicans on, and they can be as absolutely corrupt as they want.

Why do you not blame the ~48% Democrat voters for not gathering behind a candidate who isn't a war criminal? Or the ~49% Trump voters? Does it not cause any self-reflection that the crime of all crimes, genocide, is no longer a red line for you in a politician? What is your long-term strategy to bring this genocidal system back under the control of the people - voting for the people who are operating it, without question, forever? Cause I don't think that's gonna work.

And the disproof of that argument is Trump sending the 2,000 pound "bunker buster" bombs?

You know how many Biden sent? FOURTEEN. THOUSAND: https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28/ That's as of last June.

Those bombs can wipe out a hundred people (and did, over and over). You know how many fighting members Hamas (Al Qassam) was supposed to have had as of Oct 7? Forty thousand. Do the math. And then go take a look at the pictures coming out of Gaza this week.

I don't know how you guys don't get this. Biden's policy on Palestine was "no holds barred genocide with lip service otherwise". Trump is the same thing minus the lip service. I think you all need to take a break from talking about this until you've figured out what the hell is going on. Because seriously, if you don't even know what's happening, you're just reacting in fight or flight mode, it's like you're pouring water on an electric fire.

And honestly - your whole depiction of what the "tankies" are saying - are we supposed to rely on your mocking portrayal of them? What did they actually say? Who are we talking about specifically? What was their full argument?

Where is this take simultaneously coming from for everyone?

Guys. NOBODY. THOUGHT. TRUMP. WAS. BETTER. Now we can finally acknowledge that the American so-called "left" political party is so obscenely fucked that they're complicit in genocide? Literally the hallmark of Nazi Germany? Perhaps we as a people do not really have a lot of choice going on, and impotently choosing between two fascist parties election after election is not going to gradually bring us to democratic reform?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28

WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - The Biden administration has sent to Israel large numbers of munitions, including more than 10,000 highly destructive 2,000-pound bombs and thousands of Hellfire missiles, since the start of the war in Gaza, said two U.S. officials briefed on an updated list of weapons shipments.

Between the war's start last October and recent days, the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs, 6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles, 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs, and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

Hope that helps!

I think of the millions of "pro-Palestinian lemmings", there were all of like five that said Trump would help. Everyone else looked soberly at the bipartisan support for genocide, which you seem unwilling to acknowledge.

I think the tally at this point is about 30 billion dollars worth of arms sent to "Israel" since Oct '23. 99% of that under Biden. Breaking domestic and international law in doing so. That is the largest foreign benefactor of the U.S., a fundamentally apartheid state engaged in genocide for 77 years, more brutally and unashamedly than ever before since '23. Again, this is violating the Leahy Law, U.S. domestic prohibitions on the commission or complicity in genocide, the UN Genocide Convention, likely the Geneva Conventions, and other international law. I would love for someone with your stance to explain why Biden engaged in this, because I think you're just floundering trying to describe this situation without that key piece of information.

Hope that helps. Not sure why you are looking to excuse complicity in genocide by drawing a D/R division where there really is not one. IMO what you're doing in posting this is extremely immoral and I urge you to reconsider your views.

P.S.:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28

WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - The Biden administration has sent to Israel large numbers of munitions, including more than 10,000 highly destructive 2,000-pound bombs and thousands of Hellfire missiles, since the start of the war in Gaza, said two U.S. officials briefed on an updated list of weapons shipments.

Between the war's start last October and recent days, the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs, 6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles, 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs, and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

As someone who's actually been following the individual arm shipments, the implication that there is any difference is literally insane. Biden was shoveling coal into the genocide engine as fast as humanly possible.

Honestly, no amount of careful planning and constitutional design will restrain a society where enough people have gone completely insane. Look at "Israel". Even 100% direct democracy there would still be a genocidal nightmare. Gets to the problem of how culture is the real driver behind the shape of society. And in that case, how religion incinerates real morality.