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  • I ask from a position of ignorance, because I simply don't know: Has anyone actually done this? Has it worked?

  • I get that, but it won't help. That was one of the motivations behind the AGPL, and it hasn't really worked for all the reasons I gave. Work for enough companies and you see it over and over again.

  • De facto, if not in absolute.

    There's a dirty secret of telecom I found out working for a telco some years back: CALEA compliance is used more by unknown third parties more than actual law enforcement. When we'd get a subpoena for a CALEA wiretap, as often as not we'd just patch our logger into a pre-existing wiretap as configure a switch to enable one on a particular trunk, cable, and pair.

  • They'll use it anyway.

    It sounds flippant, but it's the truth. They'll use it internally. They'll expose it to the outside but delete all of the license information. They'll use it but stick a crappy React front-end in front of the rest (whether or not that counts as "using AGPL licensed software in violation of the license" is a matter for lawyers to figure out). Or they'll just use it because they have way more money than the AGPL-licensed project and drag it out in court for however long it takes.

  • Which usually leads to their being shut down.

    It's nice to see an org choose a side, but then we lose that org and we're back to square one.

  • I did not know that. Thanks.

  • They have had a plan for it, from the very beginning. Big-budget space projects like ISS don't get anywhere without a wrap-up plan. ISS is in LEO, and its mass contraindicates moving it into a graveyard orbit. Conventionally, stuff in LEO gets de-orbited; same thing happened with Skylab in '79.

  • Longer - fifteen, closer to twenty years. It took this long for there to be one or two companies that they could be sure wouldn't just cut and run (especially given how cutthroat the aerospace industry is).

  • SpaceX's track record for orbital insertion definitely had something to do with that. When last I knew, N-G didn't have its own launch facilities (that might've changed in the last few years but I doubt it).

  • Probably jet lagged, too. A lot of pre-prods are worked on during the flight home from a conference and after one gets home when they can't sleep.

  • Also, they have to follow Swiss law if they want to stay in business.