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  • I would have saved so much more time if you just answered my questions, and now all I am left with is obviously you have no clue about 32 hour work weeks. You also don't seem to be capable of expressing why you think this is a good idea. You are the obtuse one, in my finding. You think I'm the one trolling when obviously you are the one who is just saying things to argue for no reason. You contributed zero to this discussion. I was asking the questions. I found the information. I came up with the conclusions. All you did was say "I like bernie sanders her dur"

  • Thanks for suggesting I look it up, I found this:

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/1332/text

    This is a great example of something that addresses the concerns I have, I assumed you already saw this since you seem to be informed on the issue. Are there any more like it that can potentially address any other concerns I mentioned before?

    Bare in mind, the amendment proposed in that house bill does not address any of the following:

    • It does not require employers to pay workers the same weekly pay for fewer hours (i.e., no guaranteed wage preservation).
    • It does not require employers to adjust hourly wages upward to compensate for lost hours.
    • It does not establish a new minimum wage or cost-of-living adjustment.

    None of the current FLSA text mandates any kind of salary or wage calculation, so the amendment has to include it if that's the solution proposed, which it seemingly is not. Again, you say I can look this stuff up and it's all available and this is all I could find. Surely you know more than me, right?

  • I dont find trolling potential leftists fun, so Im not sure what the fun kind of trolling is in this context. I dont benefit from trolling you because you might have information I want: The names of lawmakers and what policies or laws or bills they support to bring about fairer labor laws. You either have that information and are willing to part with it, or you arent willing to part with it, or you dont have the information. Im not sure which one is you since you remain deliberately obtuse.

    So far you have given me: Bernie Sanders wants 32 hour work weeks for full time benefits. Very cool, but thats not legislation. Bernie is a legislator, he has done much better than creating a bill that says "32 hours for full time. Increase wages or else we will... be mad?" and he has made a lot of good bills and amendments in the past with much better language. I was hoping for a bit more from you is all. My bad.

  • But what laws are being proposed by which lawmakers? You understand we need congress for this proposal, right? You say Bernie wants 32 hours, but is he for raising wages forcing all corporations and small businesses to raise their wages by 20%, or just raising the minimum wage? Who else in congress is on board with the laws he's proposing? Is there a bill? Until any of that happens it's all talk.

  • Thats what I was asking, will there be laws to ensure a raise in wages? What are those actual policies being proposed? Is the FCC going to enforce it? The trump FCC is gonna do it or what happens when the next republican president happens?

  • so the company will keep all its employees it requires

    Is that not the case now? Companies only have the staff the require at any time, no? So if hours get cut, they cut staff, no? I'm all for reducing work weeks to 4 days, it honestly won't bother me even if I take a pay cut, I make enough right now so a pay cut won't hurt me. I'm just wondering how in the world is my employer going to feel incentivized to pay me more an hour to work fewer hours. Let's say I make $100/hour (I don't). I work 40 hours a week. $4000 a week, cool. Now a law happens: I can only work 32 hours for full time and more than that is overtime. I'm still making $100/hr, no? Okay, $3200 a week. That's fine and dandy if you make that much, but I'm just wondering how that helps people who make minimum wage and whatnot. They can just keep working 5 days, overtime now, to keep up their bills while I, a person who makes more than them, get to enjoy the sweat off of their back on my off day?

    This already happens with weekends: poor people work them, not the rich. It's not a zero sum thing, but I'd absolutely prefer a solid UBI plan than a 32 hour work week. With a UBI, a 32 hour work week can just happen naturally as people work less. Either way, I'm just have way more questions with a 32 hour work week than a UBI, and a UBI can get much better support than a 4 day work week honestly.

  • I think about how much the planet is heating up because people like me are a little too lazy to be competent. I am glad my nieces and nephews get to pay our price we are raising every day on their behalf, to improve their world supposedly with our extra productivity, right?

  • how does a law force companies to scale wages instead of firing? At-will employment is a thing. How does a law also retroactively make all at-will employment subject to investigation if they dont scale wages and fire instead? What laws around the world accomodate this kind of situation?

    Lots of people advocate for things that have unforseen consequences. Its not impossible for that to happen, no?

  • Yeah that's new 2014+ Reddit technology, back in the early days of the internet sarcasm was a lot harder to detect and you were expected to figure it out with context haha

    lots of us don't know people expect /s and still try to be sarcastic without /s

    instead we used clues like emojis to denote it's not serious like "lol" or "haha" when it's sarcastic and funny or ;-; or T-T when it's sarcasm and expressing frustration

  • It's mostly 16–22 year old autistic kid boys from around the western world, so you're not far off in that it's the worst demographic humanity has to offer in terms of internet discourse. I say this as a sperg who's been on 4chan since he was 16 😂

  • It's old internet sarcasm, I seent it many times in my life. Yeah, pretty sure it was harmless satire :) the emoticon at the end is a dead giveaway maybe—that there looks like a millennial or zillenial calling card