DMmeYourNudes @ dmmeyournudes @lemmy.world

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It's crazy the stories people string together to confirm their biases.

You're a moderator, not a publisher. You don't decide what is or is not good content, you decide what is or is not against the rules. If "bad content is not allowed" is a rule, witch it virtually is if you remove posts because no one upvotes them, then why would anyone post to a community that forces you to appease the mods before anyone else has seen your post. The downvotes mean the mods need to do less work and the community can self moderate good posts and good content with the push of a button. How you do not understand that pushing down bad content is fundamental to link aggregation and combating community vote manipulation after all the shit that happened in Reddit, even through the downvotes, is beyond me.

These examples you show are small and not proven to be viable. Beehaw for one had several problems outside of not having downvotes that make it as an example problematic, and Lemmy as a whole is such a broken experience right now that you can't use anything here to prove that having no downvotes is viable either.

So how do you know it's bad content if no one downvoted it? A lack of upvotes does not mean it's bad, it could easily mean no one saw it and they simply fall of their first page too quickly to ever see it, a common issue on Lemmy. You're just making a judgement on what is or isn't good content, meaning the quality is no measured by the mods, not the users.

Let's go look at beehaw after they defederate from everyone lol.

I'm not saying people don't pick sides in an argument, but the point is to convince someone you're right, so if you're not doing that, you're getting downvotes meaning you're either wasting your time or making bad arguments.

It's not spam, it's content within the rules, it just bad. That's the situation we're trying to avoid so that bad content is seen by the least amount. Of users. When you can't downvote bad content, the moderators have to remove the content so we have just pushed more work onto moderators. Congratulations.

The situation I described has been abused in reddit through even the downvote system by various subreddits for everything from memes to pushing presidential candidacy. Imagine the_donald in a world without downvotes.

You really don't understand how removing the recourse from users to downvote bad content is a negative to any link agregator? Do you just never go to small subs and see less than 5 posts from the last week and not understand that someone could just flood those communities with poor content and the only recourse is for mods to ban that user who could have not even violated their rules? This is to say nothing of how bad nitch communities are already on Lemmy, if we remove the users ability to group moderate it would be even worse.

You can't ignore bad posts when they get inflated ranking because no one can downvote them off the front page lol.

If you remove downvotes you remove the recourse users have to push down bad content. A bad post with 100 upvotes and 500 potential downvotes should never see the light of day because the community decided it's a bad post. But because no one can push it down and there isn't enough content to push up over it, now a bad post 10 people would have seen and pushed out of the system is now bothering well over 500 more people because you couldn't downvote it.

You really don't seem to understand the mechanics of link aggregators and their comment sections. The votes are for curating content and downvoting posts that are not relevant or are poor quality is the entire point of the system. If you remove the ability to downvote bad content, you degrade the content for all the users. This is exactly why YouTube removing the dislike counter was an issue.

If you can't downvote bad posts, then you will see a massive rise of bad posts. This is why YouTube removing the dislike button was such an issue.

Because if the only way you can interact with a post is by voting up or voting down, then a few problems occur. First, any instance or app that lets you use the downvotes now has a stronger voice than anyone who isn't using the downvotes. Second, it means users can not push down bad content without a consistent supply of new content to vote over it, a massive problem for small communities. And third, it fragments the community making the service harder to use.

If you're getting downvoted in an argument, guess what, that means you're bad at making arguments. And this system is exactly the same, regardless of if you can see it or not, sorting by top will still sort by the net sum of votes.

If your instance removed the button, the system will register the votes, even if you can't see it. This is just more fragmentation of the experience for users fostering more confusion and alienation of new users.

Wanna check? Log in though an app and... Ta da, downvotes!

You only lost 15 karma on any mass downvoted comment and 0 for posts. The only person who cared about people's karma was you dude.

How are you not silenced exactly like you would be on Reddit? People downvotes posts and comments they don't agree with exactly like reddit, but here if the admins disagree they defederate entire instances over it. Hot page is completely useless compared to reddit, so only the most upvotes posts from the most popular subs are visible, and comments have the exact same issues reddit comments had. Nothing about this system is mechanically different from reddits system, baring how votes get totaled because of federation, (also the hot sort is uses).

No instance has no downvotes, they just hide the button in the theme like subreddits would do too. And nothing about this system prevents people from mass downvoting or upvoting a post because of group think, ask me how I know.

And that system was irrelevant on Reddit just like it is here. You still have a total karma number in the API, every app I have used shows it, even if it is broken right now. Only the default theme on the web page hides the number. The only people who saw value in karma are the people who farmed it and the people who bitch about the people who farmed it. Either way, making posts that get a lot of upvotes specifically to get a lot of upvotes happens here just like I does on Reddit so idk what this OP is trying to say because they're farming karma lol.