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I'd never take that bet, they already started today You can find them in threads across the fediverse.

It was such an easy lay-up to fumble. Hell, she raised millions in personal donations compared to a Trump campaign that ended up stiffing locations on payment because they're so broke, it was the rare election where the Dems didn't need their corporate donors. They could have accepted some long-term financial losses in the face of potential greater long-term gains if they could maintain similar levels of personal donations from energized progressives. I remember the energy in the air when Harris/Walz was revealed, it seemed like a progressive ticket could seriously exist.

And then it all vanished. Thanks for taking my $20, assholes. Wouldn't have bothered if I knew they'd just dance to their owners demands anyway.

between this and the enshittification of big tech and gaming, it feels like 2024 has been one big argument in support of gatekeeping.

Because the Democrats picked it up and used it as an issue as well. Instead of dispelling the myths of "Bigrant Crime," as if that would be a challenge, they took an anti-immigration stance as well. Honestly, Trump had a rare master class attack on the Dems with the whole "they've been in power for four years, why haven't they already done everything," because it called out just how shallow the Dems bending to conservative anti-immigrant policy was. It was almost certainly an accident on his part, especially since his party was the reason Dems couldn't be as hard on immigration as they wanted, but it turned into effective messaging.

There are none, as far as I am aware. I'm closest to Canada, and it's where I plan to flee. I'm pretty certain Justin Trudeau is going to repeat Biden's blunder beat for beat, except he won't pull out and will just lose, but I don't think the fate of Canada hinges on the next election. There is still time to fight back at least. I don't think there is any time left for the U.S.

And again, that's the shitty part, it requires a lot of fucking work. I have worked for independent leftist campaigns. It was incredibly long hours for weeks on end. Canvassing is gruelling work, cold calls are fucking miserable. Do you know how much money I typically made? None, not a single dime. The independents don't have the support of big donors. In fact, I typically end up losing a few thousand dollars if I work for a campaign.

You have to make the reality you want with your own hands. You have to grab your friends and say "Hey, let's all go to the town hall meeting tonight," and double the attendance for the night. You have to make a hundred calls a day, getting laughed at all the time, just hoping to get your message out. Hell, depending on where you live and what options you have, you might have to run for office yourself. It's hard, and it's shitty and awful, but it's the only option left when your leaders consistently fail you.

I will say though, it was a clear mistake to call 2020 a win for Biden. 2020 was a loss for Trump. Biden's approval ratings were ass, he barely beat out Trump, and his approval just dropped further the second he entered office. If the DNC saw that and made the conclusion they could demand progressive votes for nothing a second time, then they're incompetent.

You simply can't do anything for the Republicans. There is no hope for them. You have to assume that moving forward, at least half of voting Americans will go for a fascist. Ignore them completely. Sure, they clearly have the largest part of the blame, but none of them care and will laugh at you for trying to change their minds. The only option is to aim for independents, undecideds, and uncommitteds. Progressive policies remain overwhelming popular in the United States, you do not need conservatives to help you win elections.

As for what these leftists politicians should do once elected, the answer immediately is to caucus with the Dems and try to work with them on progressive issues like wage stagnation. It will fail, but it will identify which members of the Dems are willing to work with a new movement and which will not. Once a base of candidates is built in Dem strongholds, we can start working to replace the Dems who refuse to work with the new movement, even if they're in battleground states.

again, I'm not inventing anything here. This is how the Tea Party killed the GOP from inside. There's nothing stopping us from doing the same, but it takes a lot of participation in local races. The Tea Party started with state governments and House Representatives, and it took them nearly a decade to realize their dreams in the form of Donald Trump. It will likely take time we no longer have, but look at the last three elections and ask yourself this; do we have any other option?

It's fair to be tired, it's exhausting having to do the same shit every four years.

but the reason we have to do it every four years is because everyone lets their civic duty end with voting. Whether or not you're tired doesn't mean the responsibilities end. Believe me, I know trying to get people to politically organize is an exercise in misery, but the Democratic Party is never going to change. People have to start supporting third parties in their local elections, and start forcing out Democrat politicians who have historically had safe seats.

The one and only good news I can provide is that we have the playbook the Tea Party left. Cannibalizing a party is possible, I watched it happen and have tried to oust my local Dems with independent leftist candidates ever since. Maybe if more people had realized the Dems were going to let them down forever sooner, we could have avoided all of this. Maybe we'll never have elections again, and it's all a moot point now anyway. but trying the same shit election after election is just not going to create change.

solely because Harris didn't give them perfect solutions

Let's be very clear about this, Harris gave them no solutions. Harris said "I will support the existing status quo, the economy is great, there are no problems." Try and remember that these are people who are actively struggling and desperate for anyone who will tell them things will improve, and Harris openly told these people that things are fine and do not need to improve. Are you really surprised that they do not listen to her?

Blithely shutting down dissent and ignoring people is what got us into this mess. Maybe instead of making a bunch of people into scapegoats, there could just be an acknowledgement that the Harris campaign fucked up a ton and failed.

Or, instead of just continually repeating easily disputable strawman arguments, you could try listening to the issues these people are saying affect them? Overwhelming, the reason these groups voted for Trump is because Kamala was not offering them economic change, and Trump is. It doesn't matter that he's lying, they're just desperate. If you just don't want to believe them, maybe check your own biases first.

Hey, if you're feeling this hopeless, remember that your death is what they want. Don't give them the satisfaction. Things are bleak now, but if we can survive, if we can hold on, there will be a time to fight back.

I honestly can't believe you're of voting age. Are you just completely ignoring Obama? The man wasn't perfect, but he was leagues better than Biden.

because when the Republican Party wasn't serving the "needs" of it's racist, xenophobic, misogynistic voter base, it was murdered and skinned by the Tea Party, who has gleefully worn the skin ever since.

Progressives have never done the same for the DNC, they've just let it continue being the same old shitty party for two decades. Every time they drift further rightward, people complain, and then forget.

There is overwhelming evidence that black and Latino voters helped carry this election for Trump, and that there largest concerns were economic ones that Harris was ignoring.

You can scream about racism or sexism all you want, it's not going to change facts.

It verifiably hasn't. Votes for Trump have remained constant for the last 2 elections. He is not gaining supporters, the Democrats are losing supporters.

Funny, because it sure got Obama fucking elected. Even though the DNC didn't support him in '08 and would have preferred the nomination going to Hillary. Even though even he is pretty milquetoast as far as progressives go, his campaign was more successful than anything else the Dems have done in a decade.

A black man offered change and universal healthcare and the U.S. gave him 8 years.

You don't even have to guess, it started immediately. As soon as the results were called, the Democrat line has been "Harris ran an immaculate campaign with no problems, everyone who didn't vote for her is a Nazi."

Oh how wonderful, and how many actual primaries has the DNC had since the rule was changed? Y'know, so that change could actually be useful?

Yeah but if you start to poke fingers at the Democratic Party, you might start to realize that most of their corporate donors are fine with a Trump presidency. Almost like they were fine with Harris campaigning on keeping the status quo, because they'd win either way. Better to start blaming voters now!

I will repeat it one more time; what politicians write out as their policy platform on their website does not matter. American elections are based purely on emotions, there is no logic or reading. Nobody is asking Harris to "bend over backwards" to support progressives. I don't think openly condeming the genocide in Gaza and publicly promising to take steps to end it would have cost her the election. I don't think calling out the corporations that are keeping prices inflated would have cost her the election. I don't think taking a firm stance on LGBTQ rights would have cost her the election. I don't think promising to enshrine abortion rights into law would have cost her the election. I think running a campaign that ignored those issues and championed "more of the status quo" while ignoring or attacking anyone who offered genuine criticism did lose her the election. You can point to everywhere in her platform that guarantees she would definitely try her best to support these progressive issues once elected, but if she's not saying it at rallies, on TV appearances, and on social media, then it does not matter. That's not how elections are won.