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I apologize. I was responding to several people on this post and mistook you for someone else. $17/hr is the median income in the lowest cost of living state. It may not be the exact answer, but all of the debates began when people were suggesting higher rates based on their area, or ignorantly stating that everyone should have the same minimum wage as if cost of living didn’t exist.

Simply put, the federal minimum wage is intended to prevent the states with the lowest cost of living from paying at or below the poverty line. Each state has the responsibility of adjusting its minimum wage accordingly to prevent the same exploitation.

I’m sorry for getting frustrated. You wrote nothing to warrant my intolerance.

Correct. The states set their minimum wage above the poverty line in their respective state, which is why the federal minimum wage is based on the states with the lowest cost of living and not the national mean or median.

I’m done trying to teach you a simple concept. I wish you luck figuring it out on your own.

The vote was straight down party lines.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1191/vote_119_1_00052.htm

Testicles, swollen with desire

That’s federal minimum wage. This is an example of a state minimum wage.

https://dol.ny.gov/minimum-wage-0

It was the first link I found. Believe me or not. I don’t care. I was just sharing what I learned in school on the matter. Look for papers discussing the cascading economic impacts of setting a federal minimum wage at the national mean income. That’s basically what you’re proposing at $25/hr.

I just distributed people into lines to keep them the same length. Far from heroic. I think they replaced me with orange cones when I went home. Lol

Here are a couple of examples. According to what I’ve learned in school, and as I’ve written, these are only factors if the rate is raised too high. Specifically Cons 1 & 3 are what I’ve been talking about.

https://www.britannica.com/procon/minimum-wage-debate/Pro-Quotes

I believe that had a larger impact as well. I’m just familiar with the partisan primary problem from volunteering that year. Many registered independents or no party affiliation voters were pissed they couldn’t vote in NY. I’m sure that happened elsewhere too.

That’s because you keep writing minimum wage as if there’s one. The federal minimum wage, which is what we’re talking about, is designed to keep the states with the lowest cost of living at a livable wage. States have their own minimum wage that should be adjusted to the cost of living in their respective states.

For example, the federal minimum wage is currently $7.25/hr. NY state minimum wage is $16.50/hr.

So that’s what the states are supposed to do with their own minimum wage. The federal minimum wage is not the one we should be challenging for livable wages unless the wage is unlivable everywhere. States absolutely should be setting their own minimum wage to keep people out of poverty in their state. For example, the federal minimum wage is currently $7.25/hr, but NY state minimum wage is $16.50/hr.

An adjustable minimum wage would increase the wealth gap. Companies would not be providing cost of living increases along with performance increases, keeping more people near the bottom.

We need our government to regulate prices on essential goods and/or subsidize them through taxation to keep them from inflating faster than wages increase. Nordic nations employ mixed-economics for this and it’s quite successful.

It was mostly due to their collusion against Bernie, but far from exclusively.

The 2016 Democratic primary didn’t even break a turnout record at 28.5% nationally.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/06/10/turnout-was-high-in-the-2016-primary-season-but-just-short-of-2008-record/

The largest contributing factor in primary attendance remains to be the 30 partisan primary states that require voters to be registered as Democrats to vote in the Democratic primary.

Check your state’s primary type here: https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_election_types_by_state

Exactly my point. A $17/hr minimum wage in Arkansas would correct that while still allowing small businesses to employ workers. $25/hr would ensure it remains a corporate-controlled state.

Why must you make everything about oppression without even an attempt at understanding my point? Your victim mentality will get you nowhere in life.

Take a minute to read the countless examples I’ve taken the time to write to answer your questions and you’ll see my point is in defense of states with a lower cost of living. I would benefit more from a higher minimum wage than $17/hr, at the cost of lower income states.

I’m in support of an increase to the federal minimum wage. I simply said it should not be above the national median income, but above the poverty line of the states with the lowest cost of living, and should be done in conjunction with other systemic changes to ensure a stabile living wage.

That depends on the position and location. I believe it should be enough to satisfy the cost of living in your area, provided you work full-time, if that’s what you’re getting at.

Don’t project your self-deprecation on others. It’s whiny and pathetic.

That’s so true. I’ve thought about that quite a lot watching sci-fi. I really enjoy the idea of trying to create a completely new culture or civilization without first seeing it as an inevitable evolutionary progression. I think that’s the only way to really imagine a civilization that far into the future.

I love that you thought of the three shells. It’s absolutely one of my favorite sci-fi mechanics to leave unexplained phenomena up to the viewer or reader. Most stories end up as a bland socialist paradise or a dystopian nightmare. I like the idea of something different altogether, or a blend of present-day and something else entirely. Kind of like how Taco Bell won the fast food wars. Lol

You’re correct that payroll is not the most costly part of overhead in a business. Most of the time it’s rent. However, payroll is one of the larger controllable components of overhead. Keep in mind, the percent of increase that your dad experienced would not result in the large reduction in force of the current increase.

Federal minimum wage went from $5.15/hr to $7.50/hr, a 41% increase that could result in some layoffs coupled with a hit to profit margin. If we were to go up to a federal minimum wage of $25, that would be a 245% increase. No small businesses have markup that high, so that would result in a devastating blow to payroll.

Increases that substantial directly impact the cost of goods as well. Let’s say you own a pizza place. The cost of at least two of your primary ingredients go up immediately, flour and mozzarella. Those domestic products are now being harvested, refined, milked, cultured, and delivered by employees making 245% more. Farmers have to cover their overhead too, so that’s passed on to the customer. The imported canned tomatoes aren’t impacted at first, but as the domestic supply struggles to compete with imported tomatoes, tariffs are implemented on foreign supply to keep domestic farms competitive.

You need to make a choice. Either you can only afford to pay one employee during peak hours, and you essentially live at your pizza place to keep the doors open, effectively driving your own hourly rate far below minimum wage (since you’re not paid hourly, you’re not breaking the law). Or you keep a second employee and hope the locals are willing to pay well above the cost per slice as Domino’s down the road, who gets wholesale deals on all of their ingredients and can afford to operate at a loss in some areas while increasing markup in others. It’s a losing battle, that inevitably ends in closing your business and going to work for Domino’s.

I skipped the details and mathematics of the latter half of that example to save a lot of typing, but that’s the effective result of an increase that substantial on an area with a lower cost of living.

I’ve typed it out several times. I hope you don’t mind me linking a more complete explanation.

https://lemmy.world/comment/16409180

You’re absolutely correct from a “best practice” standpoint, but only the standards make it into records. That’s the source of our admiration of “old-fashioned know-how.”

Real life experience can’t be catalogued. The index doesn’t have dirt under its nails. Sure, I’d be obsolete and out of place in the day-to-day, but I’d always be ready to coyboy up in a crisis.

In the meantime, I could probably make a decent living creating one-of-a-kind newly handcrafted antiques for the neo-hipsters.

I think I’d really enjoy our movie, btw.