derf82 @ derf82 @lemmy.world

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But why was she there in the first place?

Jill Stein, friend of Putin who Russians pushed for to help Trump?

And, no, those odds are way too high. Ross Perot was the last big 3rd party candidate, and he managed 18.9% of the vote. He got zero electoral votes.

Voting uncommitted doesn’t do that.

There are more stupid voters than you think. Hanlon’s Razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Oh, there is a ton of "both sides" in this thread.

What an insulting and disgusting straw man. I do not support genocide, asshole.

And I promise you, all but 2 of those options have a 0.0000% chance of winning. Like it or not, that is the system we have.

Voters are well aware what a monster Trump is.

I don't think so. Over 80 million voted for him in 2020. And support among those that supported Biden in 2020 in waning. Read this article and shudder: https://www.npr.org/2024/02/28/1234145544/2024-election-michigan-voters-disillusioned-biden-trump

Ka'Marr Coleman-Byrd, a 27-year-old tax consultant who voted for Biden in 2020, says he'll make up his mind closer to November based on where things stand with issues like foreign aid, race relations and student loans.

"Growing up, I feel like I voted Democrat just because it just seemed like the thing to do," he said. "I'd say now ... I'm sort of more into politics and seeing exactly what both parties present, so it's not just like a blind vote in a sense."

Just 50% of Black adults nationally approve of Biden, down from 86% in July 2021, according to a December AP-NORC poll. And there are signs that Black Michiganders' support for Biden — which Democratic strategists see as key to his reelection — is waning.

A Howard University Initiative on Public Opinion poll released this month found that 91% of Black voters in Michigan plan to vote in the general election. When asked who they would vote for if that were today, 49% of respondents said Biden and 26% said Trump.

Considering Trump got only like 10% of the black vote in 2020, this is a huge shift.

And you don't think any of this sentiment will drift into the general?

Fuck, no. But what the fuck else should we do? Let Trump fuck us over just because Biden sucks? I do not like Biden, either, but I DETEST Trump with every fiber of my being.

Quit the "both sides" bullshit.

It is a half vote for each, then,

Just ask yourself, would you rather 4 more years of Biden or Trump? That is the only important question.

Been voting R for years, watching them dismantle unions, pensions, and the social safety net yet now wonder why they can't afford to retire.

The ELECTION is a dichotomy. But you know what, you don't want to debate in good faith. Enjoy 4 more years of Trump, because that is what is coming with these attitudes.

It depends entirely on whether the Dems are capable of responding to criticism or whether they do their usual la la la can’t hear you.

You act like Dems voters are a monolith.

The problem with obediently voting for the least worst option is that you end up with no good options.

And how is this going to generate another option?

And you do not think those attitudes will carry over into the general?

That is a straw man. We are not saying that at all.

What false dichotomy? Dichotomy might be the best definition for our 2 party system. We indeed have an actual dichotomy.

Yes, I'd rather have a different choice. There certainly isn't a dichotomy of ideas. But when it comes down to it, Biden and Trump will be the only legitimate choices on the ballot.

They have not told anyone to vote for Trump.

They told them not to vote for Biden, which is much the same.

The Dems took voters for granted in 2016 and got what they deserved.

65,853,514 voted for Clinton, over 2.8 million more than voted for Trump.

Just because we vastly prefer him over the other guy doesn’t mean we have to pretend that he can do no wrong and meekly accept that he’s complicit in some of the worst atrocities being committed in the world right now.

Who says you can't? I don't like Biden, either. But making him look weak just pushes us toward another Trump term.

Because the billionaire-owned MSM, like you, has an enormous pro-Biden bias and is married to the false dichotomy of “other guy worse means our guy blameless”

Lol, do you think the media has a pro-Biden bias? Quite the opposite. Biden misspeaks about some foreign leader, and the media rushes to print "Is Biden too senile?" while Trump forgets his wife's name and you get crickets from the MSM. The MSM regularly buries negative Trump stories while amplifying anything to make you question Biden. This reporting is proof of that. I do not get how you think reporting that this vote is anti-Biden is somehow pro-Biden.

“Better than Trump” is far too low a bar for anyone of importance, much less one of the most powerful and influential human beings in the world.

It is, but it is the only bar we have. Again, this is shaping up to be 2016 all over again. People don't like the Dem, so they stay home and let Trump eke out a narrow victory.

And what was the point? At best, it’s being a a useful idiot for conservatives, as this isn’t being reported as pro-Gaza, but as anti-Biden.