Scientists Discover a 'Phonetic Alphabet' Used by Sperm Whales, Moving One Step Closer to Decoding Their Chatter
deaf_fish @ deaf_fish @lemm.ee Posts 2Comments 487Joined 2 yr. ago
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Nothing wrong with masculinity. Toxic masculinity is what we are against.
How does the man/bear discussion disenfranchise and antagonize young men?
On top of not being a creeper, you also need to bathe regularly to get a chance at a date.
Does the fact that you have to bathe regularly antagonize and disenfranchise young men?
I would argue the man/bear thought experiment gives young men a useful look inside the average womans life that they wouldn't have had otherwise.
No one has called all men rapists. The meme doesn't imply it. The women answering the man/bear thought experiment are not implying that.
Where is this coming from?
I appreciate your reply.
they’re not physically safer though, that’s the problem.
I think this kind of misses the point. Women have given us their feelings on the man/bear topic. Which are implicitly valid as all feelings are (from men or women). Telling them that they have done an incorrect assessment of the situation is invalidating their feelings. This of course adds weight against the man category especially how a large group of people got personally offended by a data point. The interesting piece of information here is that women feel less safe with a man than a bear. Not that their feelings are rooted in reality, because they don't have to be.
The signal the women are getting is that yeah, their feeling don't matter. If their feelings don't matter, what else doesn't matter? Are they going to get "um, actually-ed" when they try to set personal boundaries. Can you see that if a lot of men don't respect women's feeling and personal boundaries that it can turn into a physical saftey issue?
To answer your paragraph about what is likely to happen or if the assessment is correct. I don't care. It's a roll of the dice. The bear will kill the woman sometime and the man will kill the woman sometimes and other times nothing will happen. I am not a bear scientist nor a sociologist, I don't have the numbers in front of me. The question of what actually would happen is uninteresting to me as it is a hypothetical. We don't need to accurately prepare for the man/woman/bare/woods situation, it's not likely to happen.
I did a quick (probably bad) google and I got this: "1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime (14.8% completed, 2.8% attempted).". from https://www.rainn.org/statistics/scope-problem.
yeah, so then by this logic, women shouldn’t be choosing to be with a bear,
What women are saying, is based on all the information shown to them and what they have gathered on their own. Given a choice between a random man and a random bear. They would chose to be lost in the woods with a bear. They feel physically and emotionally safer with the bear. Is their assessment accurate/correct, who knows?
Does this mean all men are rapists? No, no one has said that.
it doesn’t matter whether they are more/less physically safe around the man over the bear,
I disagree, why would physical saftey not be important? A bear could be happy just leaving them alone and eating berries. A man might decide to do something physically unwanted/dangerous to them.
My point here is that you need to communicate clearly, because otherwise you could be saying literally anything.
I agree, I wish the people who are raging at me and down-voting me would be nice, and tell me what interpretation they have of the statement. Instead I am getting vague feelings posting with no arguments. Thank you for diving into this with me.
i agree, but in this case, the irony here is that we aren’t supposed to care about the feelings of men generically
No one in this conversation has said that. The feelings of men are important. The feelings of women are important. The saftey of men is more important that the feelings of women.The safety of women are more important than the feelings of men. Saying one does not contradict the other.
the point here was that these statements weren’t related at all
I agree, I thought this was a hypothetical, sorry I was wrong.
Men's feelings can have an effect on the saftey of women. Imagine if the majority of men felt like they were owed sex even if women didn't want it. These feelings will cause most women to be physically unsafe.
There is no way to argue against a statement like “Women’s safety is more important than men’s feelings”
Yes there is. Show how the statement causes harm. If it is too ambiguous, make it concrete by interpreting it.
“Men’s feelings” and “women’s safety” don’t negate each other,
For the most part you are right (most feelings are not problematic), but there are situations where Men's feelings do affect women's safety.
For example. If a Man feels like he deserves sex even if a woman is not interested in having that sex. Another example is if the average man feels like they rightfully control or are better than women. Then that makes that society less safe for women.
But yeah, if a man feel sad because his favorite driver loss the race, that doesn't harm women. To me, these kinds of feelings were never the issue.
Why don’t you hold the actions of rapists and abusers against rapists and abusers, instead of innocent men who’ve done nothing but try to live their lives and respect the people around them?
I am confused about you got here. Is this post calling you a rapist? I have yet to judge you on anything. I am just trying to understand why this post is getting you so upset. If it turns out this post is upsetting to you because you are a rapist that thinks that women shouldn't have safety, then your reactions would make sense to me. As of now, I am still confused.
Okay then defend yourself. Do you agree with the statement? Women's safety is more important than men's feelings. And for the love of God why?
Make your arguments or be a coward.
Come to join the fun I see! Do you also think that women's safety is less important than men's feelings?
Come on coward, what's your position?
Ladies and gentlemen, this was their response. If they had a better one, they would have used it.
Yes, it is antagonistic. But is it bad to be antagonistic to people who think that men's feelings are more important that women's safety?
Why? Women like sex, they also like sex with men. Men like sex. Where is the problem?
based on what though?
Ethics? Feelings can be uncomfortable, but even the worst feeling are survivable. Safety is like physical safety. Like death is a possibility if things are not safe.
Womens safety is more important than men feeling that raping women is bad?
Yes. Also, men feeling that raping women is bad, is good for the safety of women. So, no need to stop feeling that. It would be preferred even.
Womens safety from being bombed by russia (nuclear warhead btw) while men have feelings about that one argument they had last week?
Yes. Swap the sexes see if it still makes sense. Do you want die because some woman had a fight and had feelings about it? BTW, if you have some story behind this hypothetical. I would be interested to hear exactly how a man's feelings about argument turns into Russia bombing a woman.
Who's dragging you into stuff? No one has said that all men are worse than bears.
This is not antagonizing men. This is important data for men. Do you want to get laid? Understand where women are coming from. Don't do spooky shit on dates.
Listen, I understand. It's bad news, but it is what it is. It's reality. It's like women saying if you never take a shower or bath in your entire life, a relationship is out of the question.
Why? The sign seems fine to me.
I don't know. Seems kind of straightforward to me. Women's safety is more important than men's feelings. I agree with that statement. Do you not agree with that statement?
Who said that?
He won't even get to it. The moment he's elected he'll probably die or something. Fascist would take power. Then everyone who's not straight white and only does missionary sex will be sent off to the camps.
And when we finally learn their language. We can long distance shit post on the whale's social media