db0 @ db0 @lemmy.dbzer0.com

Epicurean Revolutionary Libertarian Socialist

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If it quacks like a duck, and it walks like a duck...

Ye, basically always keep in mind how much risk it creates. Anything you would do that make us look like an indexer, makes us a target. So the more layers between us and the infringing content we have, the safer.

That's fine. I hope you can all enjoy the threadiverse! Just remember that this is an anarchist-run server, so ensure that your members take heed of our code of conduct.

The problem is, if you were to do this, it would defacto makes us a piracy indexer, as the names of the releases the the relevant link to get them would be on our website. This could cause the copyright cartel to go after us and we can't defend against that. If you could arrange to have the index externally (for example, on a rentry.co entry) and then when someone requests a link, you point them to that to ctrl+f, it could work.

You're of course welcome here. It's just a matter of how likely your practices is to lead to us being targeted, you know? If you're going to share the occasional link encrypted between yourselves, it should be fine. But if you start posting whole directories of links, it might be a problem. However a hybrid option where you have a comm here for discussions and you use things like pastebins to host your link collection should work.

If you give me some idea of how you plan to utilize the comm, I can give some more practical pointers on how to ensure we're not in danger.

The sporadic encrypted link would be OK, but nothing becoming standardized. If we become known as a link sharing site, we'll get in trouble.

A link to what?

Wait, not only are you misinterpreting what I said (I used alien.top as a case of for "admins will want to defederate because of resource abuse even when their own users find it useful" and less about "admins will ban any bot-only instance") but your interpretation directly contradicts your first point.

And I bring up botsin.space as a bot-heavy instance which wasn't widely defederated which obviuously proves you wrong on what constitures "resource abuse" enough to be defederated. I.e. you're cherry-picking your example to prove your point. There's a difference between an instance trying to duplicate all of fucking reddit, and 24 bots posting 2xday. FFS.

Yeah, you can add the "reasonable output" qualifier all you want. This would be a subjective point.

With botsin.space, we have a good example of what is reasonable to not be defederated.

And I am not arguing "everyone will defederate from instances running bots".

This is exactly what you were arguing. There's no reason to bring up alien.top otherwise.

This is not an hypothetical scenario. It happened with alien.top.

I am not going to argue this point. My only point in this discussion is that one can safely self-host bots with a reasonable output and have little chance of being widely defederated. I merely wanted to debunk your argument that self-hosting such bots would be de-federated by everyone.

You're arguing with a right-libertarian, FYI. This should explain some of their positions and arguments better.

plenty of instances have mastodon.art and tech.lgbt defederated. So what? Your point was that it would be widespread, which was factually not the case. It was nowhere widespread and I know this because I was using it for my bots and could see their reach.

It seems the dev just wanted to run it as a personal fork and never understood the reason for the pr standards in a collaborative environment

I wasn't supporting an alternative. I was merely pointing the lie in your statement that having bots in one's instance is grounds for massive defederation. Don't try to divert.

Botsin.space existed for a long while and wasn't widely defederated. Just saying...

Third one should be called "A Bot"

While this seems better than a lot of others, these types of systems are very easily manipulated by mass media, so functioning inside capitalism is already a massive problem. In any case it's difficult to judge the efficacy, only with one rich protected nation as an example. The biggest thing is that labour is pacified a lot by a high standard of living, which is supported by the imperialism of the other nations supporting them.

I'm not familiar with it

The admin db0 does have a distrust in democracy

Clarification: Representative/Capitalist democracy. Not all types of democracy.