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The evidence is your post history. You can't hide your bias behind "you don't know that". Yes I do.

That's not what your comment history says about you. At all.

You sure love to argue against posts that you perceive as supporting veganism. You spent a whole day arguing against "most male cows are killed for meat before adulthood"!

"flawed study" is @commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com for "I didn't like the conclusions some researcher who spent a long time looking into all the scientific studies drew, so I'm going to cast vague doubts about it instead"

Chaotic neutral.

Apparently you're not responsible for updating your knowledge from external sources or admitting you might have made a mistake or been incorrect. Not your style at all.

I'm going to repost what @ikidd@lemmy.world said:

I have 320 beef cows, and about that many steers/heifers waiting for market.

18 months on a steer is about 1200lbs, pasture fed then grain finished before slaughter. A non-castrated male can get to 2200lbs after 4-5 years. I’d call that an adult bull. They can breed successfully at damn near any age after 12 months, but I wouldn’t call them developed until about 30.

So full weight is more like 2200lbs, whereas at 18 months they're only weighing 1200lbs, and aren't fully grown or adult. Also you can look stuff up on the internet, it's not hard, you don't have to make stuff up just because you don't like the facts.

It's uneconomic to keep them till they're adult, the fast rate of growth at the beginning is the profitable bit. Keeping them later costs farmers money they don't need to spend and can reduce the price of the meat that they're selling. It doesn't make any sense financially to let them mature.

You sure love to argue against points that you perceive as supporting veganism, though!

I found the comment chain. Nuts. They always pick and the weirdest stuff to argue over.

"Bad science" is commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com for "I don't want this to be true".

It took me a whole 24 hours to realise that the person having a weird, inconsistent, fact-swerving argument with me (about my assertion that most male cattle are killed young for meat) was the original one from the screenshot!

Source: https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impact-milks

Case in point

Says the person who has been splitting hairs for nearly 24 hours. For reference, here's our original interaction:

At least 50% of them are killed - very, very few males make it to adulthood.

this is incorrect

They're slaughtered at 18 months, and that's before adulthood. I was correct. You continue to work very hard to find some way to make this correct statement sound incorrect.

Google natural lifespan cow.

Signal messaging app.

You really think Jesus would be against things like free healthcare, income support, things like that? You think he'd rather people voted for politicians who promise to cut welfare? You count cutting welfare as helping your neighbour and taking care of the poor and needy? Because it looks a lot like making things harder for your neighbour and not giving a shit about the poor and needy from where I'm sitting.

I mean, vote selfishly if you're going to, but don't pretend that Jesus came with a message of "look after number one", "cut welfare" and "cancel programs that help the poor and needy". That's not biblical.

Even if your numbers were correct, 18 months, the typical slaughter age of cattle, is before adulthood, and a long way before the natural lifespan of between 15-20 years.

Male cows are killed young for meat. Female cows are killed once they're less use for milk.

It shouldn't be surprising to you. It's just economics. It makes no financial sense to do otherwise.

I don't see any point in pretending otherwise and I don't know why you want to.

We should normalise saying "just another healthcare denial shooting" like people say "just another gang rivalry shooting".

Giving them a special CEO hotline that normal folk can't use isn't going to make them more popular.

Link for today's lucky few who haven't seen this yet:

The IT Crowd: New emergency number:
https://youtu.be/HWc3WY3fuZU