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Ah damn yeah, I was just thinking that this device might be something I'd consider blowing my budget for, if it can replace multiple devices. But the lack of stylus on a device like this is huge let down.

Still seems like a fad to me.

Gender diverse people have existed throughout human history, in cultures around the world. the gender binary is more of a "fad" than transgender people.

You’re making it seem far more normal and common than it is.

Because ultimately, it is a normal part of the human experience. Some small percentage of people are transgender.

There should be as much or more effort put into finding out why they feel this way and how to help them get back on track.

There is. The leading theory is that they are, mentally, their gender.

We know that many of these kids are under massive pressure socially and the trans thing gives them a cause.

Absolutely not. This is COMPLETELY divorced from reality.

The social pressure to not be transgender is MASSIVE. Coming out as trans WILL lose you friends, and may lose you family as well. That is just a simple truth that transgender people accept when we come out. Not that we may lose friends, but that it is basically a certainty. We risk getting kicked out of our homes. We face discrimination in employment, healthcare, and housing. And the media stirs up false outrage about us constantly, out lives are politicised.

Being trans is hard. People aren't doing this to be trendy.

Conservatives won’t leave trans people alone?

Yes. We are a tiny portion of the population that entire political parties in multiple countries are running campaigns against.

It’s the trans movement that wants public displays of outright creepiness.

Oh I'm so sorry I would like to exist in public.

Believe me, most of us wish trans folks would just go be trans and stop the theatrics.

Then leave us alone.

You’ve got it backwards as to who the aggressors are here.

I cannot express how much I hate people with your beliefs, without getting banned. The world would be a better place without people like you in it.

Why not actually write the bits that you think people are missing? Just saying "watch to the end" over and over is obnoxious. People's time and attention is valuable, you should learn to respect that if you want more positive responses.

The last person I want to hear from about fairness in sports is Lance Armstrong. Bloody hell, lol

That doesn't even make sense. It's just "no u".

And wearing two condoms will make your partner safer, and every health professional will agree that yes, that’s safer, but it isn’t necessary or reasonable and they won’t ask you to do that.

What? No, it doesn't. Wearing two condoms makes them more likely to break due to friction. I know it was supposed to be analogy, but for the love of all that is good, do not do that.

I think you pretty much made my point for me there.

This all sounds good on paper until you read about horror stories and how quote a few people that fell for this regret it, big time.

That's called cherry-picking.

This gender “thing” has exploded over the last 4-5 years. Are you really certain that there isnt a LOT of “hey, me too” going on with this? There are just magically all these gender-confused people suddenly?

Yes there is, but that's not a bad thing.

Part of the apparent increase in the number of transgender people is simply that people are more open about being transgender, rather than hiding it. And because being transgender is being made into a political issue by bigots, trans people are more visible. Previously trans people would simply get on with their transition, and live their lives unaccosted.

But secondly with an increase in visibility, a lot of people are realising, "Wait, other people feel the same way as I do?" These people were always transgender, they have just been given the words to understand and describe their experiences, and are thus coming to terms with being transgender, and coming out. It's not that there are more people with gender issues, it's that more people who have always had gender issues are realising precisely what those issues actually are.

But this gender thing is dominating like everything now.

That is because conservatives refuse to leave trans people alone. If people leave trans people to just get their healthcare and get on with their lives, and give them the same respect everyone else gets in society, you'll quickly find that the "issue" disappears.

Homo-sexuality was mostly accepted, so now people have to move onto the “next thing”, it seems since being gay isnt controversial enough.

You are SO CLOSE to getting it.

You are dead right, homosexuality has become more accepted, and less controversial.

So conservative politicians have had to move onto a different minority to stir up fear and outrage about. That is why you are suddenly hearing about transgender people so much.

As for compassionate care - yeah, fine. But to me, that should start with why they feel the way they do. How did a boy feel as if hes a girl? Same for the opposite. lets get to the root cause of this which to me is what needs to be addressed & managed.

Why do you think that that isn't what has happened?

Id rather see these people helped to regain their biological identity so they can live a normal life. That seems more compassionate to me.

Well what you would "rather" has zero relevance to what actually works, and what is true.

I’d like to interject that it’s not necessarily the evidence that mixed, but its interpretation. The same data can be taken two different ways.

I mean yes and no, some studies don't find evidence of competitive advantage. Some do. So, yes I agree that interpretations are mixed, but also evidence, between studies. And then interpretations of the entire body of evidence are mixed, but I personally don't think that those interpretations are of much relevance, this is a discussion that has to happen at a more granular level of each sport.

I just finished reading a link (wish I kept the url) that argued trans woman runners still outperform cis women by 12% after 2 years of hormones, pointing out the competitive requirements are only 1 year of hormones. Only in the subtleties do you find that their metrics for performance did not just involve running speed (but included push-ups), and that the underlying research admitted in conclusions that they were likely over-rating the trans women’s competitiveness…

I actually think I've seen that one, yeah. One of the reasons I mention "what kind of strength", and how that's going to differ for each sport. But yeah, in that case, an exclusion period of two years, is not unreasonable at highly competitive levels.

One of the things that I read somewhere that REALLY stuck with me is this. There will always be an "evidence-based "argument to attack trans atheletes so long as there is at least one trans athelete that is outperforming cis atheletes. If trans women are equivalent to cis women, then the real answer is that it should be even (weighted obviously) odds that the best in the world would be trans or cis… but what we seek to validate “fairness” is that no trans athelete ever actually rises to the top. Because if they do, it must have been their gender advantage.

Yeah, I agree 100% here. We should expect a roughly proportional number of transgender women to be successful.

But literally any single example of a transgender women succeeding is enough to have people crying "but they're a man!". Because, for a lot of people, they really just wanted to call trans women men, the whole sports thing is mostly just pretense.

But the immuno-compromised are of course welcome to their needed N95s, since liberal nations don’t have the balls or desire to actually protect their most vulnerable citizens with a universal vaccination mandate.

Once again. Masks were not for your own protection, they were mostly for the protection of others from you.

So... If you took your mask off at the earliest convenience, once you were reasonably safe, it's very hard to take your concern for the immuno-compromised particularly seriously.

The fact that you self-describe your actions as that of a "reasonable informed adult" makes me wonder if you even understood other people's motivations at all.

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Generally no. Only in rare cases is any surgery done as a part of gender-affirming care for under-18s.

During puberty, it's just puberty blockers to delay as long as possible and gain more time for therapy. These are a conservative treatment, the absolute minimum intervention that allows the child the opportunity to be assessed further without putting them through unnecessary distress.

Between 14-16, HRT may be started if everyone, including mental health professionals, are sure that this is what is right for the patient.

Surgery is a minimum of two years after starting HRT. So the vast majority of those procedures will be done on patients over the age of 18. And the patient will have had to maintain their transgender identity for a solid two years, while under the effects of HRT and probably living as their gender full time. In the rare case that a patient somehow begins to transition mistakenly, they have a minimum of two years, watching their body gradually change, to bail out.

After all those checks and balances, it's really no surprise that transition regret is very rare.

as if they arent on the payroll here too? C’mon.

I'm sorry, but I don't subscribe to wild conspiracy theories that the entire medical profession, including basically every major medical body around the world, are all colluding on the subject of transgender health and taking enormous reputational risk, to forcibly "trans" a tiny handful of people.

There is simply not even close to enough money in it.

I think I read in a study somewhere that after transition, a trans female retains a certain amount of muscle mass and strength for a minimum of 2 years after transitioning. I’ll try to find the study and link it when I’m on the computer.

That's why I said that the evidence is highly mixed. I've seen multiple studies that conclude that there is no reason to believe trans women retain advantage, but I also don't doubt that you have seen the results you say you have either.

Then it gets even more complicated with, what kind of strength are we talking about? And for what sport? There are even arguments made that increased bone size and density, paired with female-range muscle strength that trans women at least approach if not reach after a few years of transition, may represent a net disadvantage for transgender women.

I just wanted to call out the one of the incorrect assumptions that even well-meaning folks make when talking about transgender people. Because they're really quite common unfortunately.

That said, there is absolutely nuance to be had here, and the chess organization is being both transphobic and sexist at this point 😮‍💨

100%.

I am so tired of you people.

Hang on a sec...

I can recognise that mf after puberty gives someone a strength advantage

This is the sort of thing that is said in these conversations, as if it is simply fact. A common sense truth that we all agree on.

But it's not. Transgender women might retain some advantage after transition, but they also might not. That is something that is intensely studied, and hotly debated. Results have been found to support either hypothesis, and may differ from sport to sport. It's not cut-and-dry in the slightest.

It's incredible how a good number of transphobic people just either do not know, or cannot admit, what hormones do.

Except they haven't. There are a small handful of examples, that people both greatly exaggerate, and repeat over and over again. Trans people have been allowed to compete for many years prior, and have not overrun women's sports.

Simple math is that even being a small minority, trans people will, occasionally, win things. Even if there are zero competitive advantages to being a transgender woman, some trans women are gonna excel. Finding a handful of examples of trans people being good at sports isn't actually proof of advantage.

So even if we knew, with near certainty, that a child would be helped by gender-affirming care, you maintain "no exceptions". Because forcing 99 trans people through an undesired puberty is better for you than 1 cisgender person having a delayed puberty. Because 99 miserable trans people is worth saving 1 cis person from even mild discomfort.

You aren't a doctor, and more importantly, you aren't their doctor. Keep your nose out of other people's healthcare, it is none of your business.

I'm sorry, what is it that you think those links say? Neither of them advise against masking.

The first says that cloth masks are advised against for healthcare workers, because they are not up to medical requirements. They still have value in community use, because any cut in rate of transmission is valuable.

The second says that masks are not needed in outdoor settings, because the risk of transmission is lowered already. Masks would make the risk even lower still, but there is an amount of risk most people are willing to accept. Still not advising against masking.

I did not live in the timeline where medical professionals advised people to stop masking after recieving the vaccine. Because that didn't actually happen. Masks were recommended long after the vaccines rolled out. And really, were never advised against.

Vaccines protect you, masks protect others from you. And the two operate on entirely different mechanisms and can be layered for greater efficacy at combating the virus.

But let's be bluntly honest, people's behaviour has nothing to do with the efficacy of masks. They won't wear a mask, regardless of efficacy, because they simply do not want to. And they do not care if they spread disease.

People who are affected by the hate speech, can easily chose one of the many instances that are curating and censoring

And they do. And thus you will not see them, if you are in a space that does not remove hate-speech. You can join multiple spaces if you want, that's fine. But if you are choosing a single space, then you can choose one or the other. The voices of many diverse groups of people, or that one single repetition of fear of the other.

Well you know, the same is said by both sides, and on both sides people always find a way to justify their stance and portray the other side as the worst evil, while the reality is in between.

Please try actually reading, and thinking about what is written, rather than just typing out the first thought-terminating cliche that comes to mind. It's really difficult to take such nonsense seriously.