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  • As others have also noted in this comment section, you come across as someone who doesn't actually know what they're talking about, but floats these trivial truisms, while pretending that everyone else is disagreeing with these common sense truths.

    It's just the most surface-level observations, while strawmanning everyone else as too extreme, and then acting like an "enlightened" smartarse.

  • I've written multiple responses to you addressing what you said. So kindly pull your head out of your arse. Insufferable debatebro.

  • I’m not disparaging progressives in the slightest, I’m saying we get some wins sometimes. We do succeed in improving things sometimes.

    Just telling you how you read to others. Especially with the weird "That’s what it seems like people are hoping for anyway, some kind of problem-free world. It is unrealistic." type comments.

    You read like someone chastising people for being angry that their issues haven't received redress.

    So, what’s the difference between “things don’t change” and “things will not change”?

    Thinking that things won't change with Murdoch's retirement is not the same as things never change anywhere.

  • I was specifically responding to someone who said “things don’t change”.

    The actual message was:

    I’m hoping things will change. Things will not change.

    Yeah I think people are upset because you are attacking positions nobody is taking, and disparaging progressives in the same breath.

  • Do you not understand how people work or something?

    Nobody is saying there has been "no progress anywhere". But they'll still be upset when there is little progress, or backsliding, on issues that affect them or that they are passionate about.

    It's really quite condescending to waffle on about how suffering people need to look at the big picture, and how it's unreasonable to expect their suffering to be alleviated during their lifetimes, when there really isn't a good reason why they should be suffering as much as they are to begin with.

  • That’s what it seems like people are hoping for anyway, some kind of problem-free world. It is unrealistic.

    I think you are mistaken. People are upset for a lack of progress. How the pace of improvement is endlessly kneecapped.

    We won't live to see the end of our problems. But there are several problems in our lives that could be ended very, very quickly if we actually gave a damn.

  • Then you shift to an instance that mods the way you prefer.

  • Gee whiz, you pretended to be me and said something I didn't say! I'm so owned right now!

  • Doing literally nothing to reduce fossil fuels would be better than the thing we are currently doing, which is subsidising them. Really puts into perspective all the climate "promises".

  • Assuming all Asian people or all white people had the same opportunities, money, and privilege is racist.

    That isn't what is happening.

    Creating affirmative action that blindly looks only at skin color is racist.

    That isn't what is happening.

    We should be looking at better metrics like family net worth.

    That is indeed a good metric that we should use. But it also does not cover everything. Much of the issues that minorities face is because they are stigmatised. Simply looking at wealth does not address that. Additionally, one of the purposes of affirmative action is to ensure desegregation, which in itself has been shown to decrease racist sentiments over time through the contact hypothesis.

  • No not really, I’ve just heard a lot of debates about this but you’re more than free to judge me beforehand.🥰

    If you've heard a lot of debates about this, then you surely already know what the basic positions are on the matter? What else are you hoping to gain?

  • The idea would be that the badge would be worn by everyone. Which is why I said it isn't really feasible.

  • I can think of a few differences between a universally voluntarily chosen pronoun badge, and a pink triangle forced on queer people to mark them as other.

  • Yes. I wasn't disagreeing with you or anything. Just saying what I thought would be most likely.

  • It might also just be that the person asking you just always asks. Because as you mentioned, only asking when someone "looks" trans or non-binary can be rather invalidating. So to avoid that, they just don't assume.

    For your last paragraph, I'm personally of the opinion that, short of de-gendering the language entirely, a good solution would basically just be a gender/pronoun badge, but stylised to be more easily readable from a distance. Like a bracelet or a necklace or something of that nature. That would eliminate the need to ask in the vast majority of cases, because the person would be wearing something that unambiguously signals the answer. And it would be completely detached from the presentation of their body, which might not match their gender, or their clothing, which probably shouldn't be gendered anyway. Changing pronouns, for whatever reason like coming out or just being fluid, would just be a matter of swapping out the single symbol.

    It's not really feasible, of course, but even as a queer person I find asking and being asked quite clunky. But whenever I go into LGBT+ or geek spaces, I find that wearing a badge just sidesteps the whole issue.

  • Because they don't actually care about pronouns. What they are angry about is transgender and non-binary people being accepted as normal.

    Everything else, the pronouns, the bathrooms, the medication, the sports, everything, is just pos-hoc justification for their real belief, which is that transgender and non-binary people should not be accepted as normal.

  • That wasn't directed at you. But I guess I said "dickhead" and you figured it fit you.

  • Oh it did make everything crystal clear. If one isn't gullible.