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The cruelty is the point.

Also informed kids are better able to report people abusing them, and conservatives don't like that.

Unless you're politically well connected or have nine figures in the bank, you aren't wielding significant power to make systemic changes.

Every conservative accusation is a confession.

A sign that you may learn something.

I would learn more from a lobotomy.

There is no horded wealth.

This is just about the single stupidest thing I have ever read in my entire life.

Well done. Good bye.

There are other origins of power but votes are special because they control the law.

No votes do not control the law. They elect the government, who controls the law,

The government can be influenced by various means. Voting is but one of them.

Nobody cares if you do not like other methods, such as strikes and protests, they are still effective. And the owning class already uses other methods, such as lobbying and outright bribery, so to constrain oneself to methods that don't work is voluntary surrender.

Which protests are not ignored?

Pretty much every civil rights and liberation movement around the world has been accomplished through a diversity of strategies, which almost always include protest.

If citizens debate before the election about what they want and coordinate their votes, then the state represents their will.

Please pull your head out and observe reality.

That isn't meeting in the middle. The people who are hoarding wealth have no incentive to participate.

I would like to believe in your approach but I don’t believe in protests.

Okay, good luck being ignored and accomplishing nothing.

That’s transferring union tactics from companies to the state.

Good. Because those work.

It's valid in a monarchy but in a democracy, you can talk to other voters and have them support your cause. The citizens are the state.

Only if the democratic process accurately reflects the will of the people. And only if the rights of minorities are protected.

In many places, including the US and the UK, neither of those are true.

Votes drive change. Believing in other means distracts from the real origin of power.

Votes are one of many "real" origins of power. To ignore the others is stupidity.

But not through individual charity. It simply does not work. Because we have been doing charity for decades, and it has not worked.

But it can work through taxes, to ensure that everyone contributes, and everyone benefits.

Voting alone also doesn't work because the options provided and the specifics of the voting system are decided by people who have an incentive to rig them in their favour. You cannot vote for options that are not allowed.

Hence needing to vote, and do more outside of voting, rather than sheepishly just doing the same thing for decades while it fails over and over again.

People are currently suffering. Every trial of UBI so far has been shown to alleviate suffering, and actually save money.

Open your eyes.

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I'm sorry do you expect us to take this seriously?

I genuinely struggle to believe that people can be gullible enough to believe this nonsense.

Because voting alone doesn't work, as evidenced by the fact that it hasn't worked over decades of us trying, you stupid wanker.

Maybe because the people who hoard wealth are like everybody else and too few want to share?

So then why are you suggesting voluntary charity if you know it doesn't actually work? Are you being deliberately dense?

If people choose to share their income, they can do it now. The debate hasn’t happened yet.

It has happened, just because your head is wedged so firmly up your own ass that you haven't seen it doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

We are talking about people who have the capital in society to make actual systemic changes to society. Such as restructuring our economy to value lives, wellbeing, and sustainability over profit.

Quite obviously 80% of people do not have that capital.

You are cherrypicking statistics, seemingly to deliberately miss the point.

Global comparisons of income mean exactly nothing to the quality of life of people living within their country.

Even people deemed in that global top 20% are living paycheck-to-paycheck, and are unable to leverage that to make changes.

Voting. Strikes. Mass protest. More, if ultimately required.

You don’t have a plan, you have a wish list. How do you want to achieve your list?

I'm sorry, you expect anyone who disagrees with you on social media to write you a thesis on restructuring society, or you just ignore them?

It's obvious that you just want to disregard what people have to say.

You haven't actually written anything of substance, but I have to effortpost for you? Lol, bite me.

Using insults doesn’t refute my points.

You don't have any points.

Why not coordinate as citizens?

Why do you think it hasn't already worked? Why do you think charity hasn't already accomplished what you say it will accomplish?

Perhaps because it doesn't actually achieve systemic change. Because the people hoarding wealth do not voluntarily distribute it.

Rent Control can only have one outcome. Decreased amount of available new or renovated rentals which coupled with an ever increasing demand for housing, creates some of the housing shortages we see in larger cities today.

Only if you assume that private landlords are the only way to supply housing.

There is no reason to assume that.

The only benefits that I think would have to stay, are those with "unlimited" downside, like healthcare.

UBI can potentially replace specific benefits for housing or general living expenses, but it can't really replace healthcare.

Direct action.