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I will just copy my other response about datacenters energy usage, ignore the parts not related to our conversation:

Google is not related with chatgpt. Chatgpt parent company is openAI which is a competitor with google.

A more rational explanation is that technology and digital services on general have been growing and are on the rise. Both because more and more complex services are being offered, and more importantly more people are requesting those services. Whole continents that used not to be cover by digital services are now covered. Generative AI is just a very small part of all that.

The best approach to reduce CO2 emissions is to ask for a reduction in human population. From my point of view is the only rational approach, as with a growing population there's only two solutions, pollute until we die, or reduce quality of life until life is not worth living. Reducing population allows for fewer people to live better loves without destroying the planet.

It also arises the question on why am I responsible if a big tech company decided to make an llm query of every search or overuse the technology, when I am talking about a completely different usage of that technology, that doesn't even reach a 20-30 queries a day which would have a power usage of less than a few hundreds wh at most, which os negligible in the scheme of global warming and my total energetic footprint.

How it's being a fanboy saying that "It works for me in some particular cases and not others, it's a tool that can be used".

Please, read again this conversation and do a second guess on who is a radical extremist here.

In the case we were talking, writing code, I am the auditor of the answers. I do not ""vibe code"" I read the code that's proposed, understand it, and if it's code that I would have written I copy it, if not I change it. "Vibe coding" is an example of bad usage of the tool that would lead to problems. All code not written by yourself and copied from other source should be reviewed. Once it pass my review is as good as my own code. If it fail it would fail the same as any other code witten by me, as it's something that I was clearly unable to see.

For instance a couple of months ago I wrote a small API service that worked fine at first and suddenly stopped working a few weeks in production. It was a stupid mistake I made, and I needed no LLM to do that mistake. The service was so simple that I didn't really even used LLM there. But I made a mistake regardless. I could have use AI and get the same bad function that caused the issue. And the blame would still be mine for not seeing the problem.

Once again is a tool. If some jackass decide to vibe code an app and it's a shit app, is a bad use of the tool. But some other people can de proper reviews and analysis of the generated code and assume full responsibility of any failures of that code.

Google is not related with chatgpt. Chatgpt parent company is openAI which is a competitor with google.

A more rational explanation is that technology and digital services on general have been growing and are on the rise. Both because more and more complex services are being offered, and more importantly more people are requesting those services. Whole continents that used not to be cover by digital services are now covered. Generative AI is just a very small part of all that.

The best approach to reduce CO2 emissions is to ask for a reduction in human population. From my point of view is the only rational approach, as with a growing population there's only two solutions, pollute until we die, or reduce quality of life until life is not worth living. Reducing population allows for fewer people to live better loves without destroying the planet.

You can oppose both polygamist or incestuous marriage if it's in a context of religious and sexist oppression, which tend to be the case in most instances of those two types of marriages.

I wouldn't have complains about polyamory incestuous marriage of free people. But sadly most of practical cases are not like that.

But there is free lunch.

That argument I've seen it used precisely by adventure capitalist targeting rich alternative people to guilt trip them into their services. When those services could perfectly be free or cheaper without relying in big enterprises.

For this instance, instead of making some people rich by paying music hosting services a p2p network could be offered. If I would me making music I would 100% just offer it by torrent and be done with hosting costs.

Other of my favorite examples is Kagi search engine, which has used this same tactic to convince a lot of people to pay for something that is the same as a self hosted searxng instance.

You have to think about disposable income, after taxes, rent/housing, food and all other essential services.

This is a leisure/personal project expense. And the disposable income for that tend to be 30% of net income at most.

It would be more like a 2%. Which may not sound like much. But it's same as saying you can do 50 things a year and this is one of those 50 things.

Anyway, I still think that price tag is too much, I don't think there would be a lot of people really willing to spend that for a service others provide for free with a bigger platform, or that you can do it by yourself cheaper if you want to go to an alternative route.

Once again I think it fits a spot only for alternative rich people.

Not really.

I self host my own LLM. Energy consumption for queries is lower than gaming according to my own measures. And the models are not made so frequently (I use models made last year still). And once the model is done is infinitely reusable by anyone.

I get that you are starting by the axiom "AI is bad" and then create the arguments needed to support that axiom. Instead of going the other way around with an open mind.

I told you my own personal experience with it. Take it as you want. For me, my situation will be the same. I would keep using same as I use any other tool that works for me, and will stop using it when there's something better same as I've done countless times. I'm not easy to peer pressure into any particular stance, so I can form my own opinions based on what I test for myself. I really think a lot of arguments against AI boil down to some sort of political stance. AI hurt a series of small artists which had a very big voice in some spaces, and thus an anti-AI political movement was created. My own copyleft morals made me undisturbed by this original complains about generative AI, and the rest of arguments have been very unconvincing, straight up fake, logical fallacies, or just didn't really check out with the reality I was able to test by myself.

For instance I saw other post today saying how 3 watts hour per query was an absolute energy waste for a household. When that's absolutely nothing compared to the 30.000 watts hour a typical household spend each day, even with quite and amount of queries. Sincerely I spent last few months with one of these devices to measure energy consumption attached to my computer and AI energy usage was really underwhelming compared with what people told me it was going to be. AAA gaming is consistently more energy hungry.

The thing is... Who are you convincing in the fediverse?

I don't think I have ever seen a nazi here, probably not even a right winger.

I stopped using facebook years before fediverse even existed.

I think the facebook public is not the same as the fediverse public.

The most developed fediverse apps are the ones that clone sites that the geeks used to roam, like twitter and reddit.

When people develope something like this, usually is because themselves want to use it. I would assume that, like me, not many people want to use a facebook-like site.

LLM also does not bully you for asking. Nor it says "duplicated question" for non duplicated questions... There's a reason people prefer LLM to SO nowadays.

It's not panacea. But it's not the doom world destroying useless machine that some people like to tell it is.

It's a useful tool for some task if you know how to use it. Everyone who actively use it is because we have find put that it works for us better than other tools for that task, of not we would not use it.

Giving my own personal experience, I tend to ask first to an LLM rather that what I used to do digging in old SO answers because I get the answer quicker and a lot of the times just better. It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it serves me a purpose.

For instance last week I needed a PowerShell command to open an app compatibility menu from the command line. I asked and got this as a response:

(New-Object -ComObject Shell.Application).Namespace((Split-Path "C:\Ruta\A\TuPrograma.exe")).ParseName((Split-Path "C:\Ruta\A\TuPrograma.exe" -Leaf)).InvokeVerb("P&roperties")

Worked at first try, exactly as I wanted.

You are free to try a search engine with the query "PowerShell command to open an app compatibility menu from the command line" and check for yourself how little help the firsts results get you.

It's a tool, as many others. The magic lies in knowing when and how to use it. For other things I may not use it, but after a couple of years using it I'm developing a good sense of which questions does it handle well and which questions is better not even to try.

I wouldn't say it's a bargain for the artist when there's plenty of services that offer that for free.

From a purely money perspective a small artist would probably lose money here while it may earn money in places like Tidal, which have much more audience.

Let's not lie people. It's not a bargain. $10 a month is a lot for that service. Maybe from a "San Francisco" or other rich American city that is Pocket change, but from most of the world $10 a month is a considerable expense.

Other thing is if you want to morally support ot because you really like that model for whatever reason.

To be honest, I don't much see the point. Of you are going for the complicated route (aka not using established platforms) are you are even considering self hosting, putting out your own website to sell music is easier and cheaper. And it's actually very common for artists to have their own website. You can find static hosting for a few bucks.

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Not bad.

Average daily energy consumption for a family in the US is said to be around 30.000 wh per day.

That would be about 10.000 chatgpt queries per day to equal that.

To have more references, average energy consumption of an hour playing a AAA computer game can easily be 600-1000 wh. Depending on the graphic card.

My 2€ calculator obliterates a 200.000€ ferrari doing multiplications.

What's the difference between copying a function from stack overflow and copying a function from a llm that has copied it from SO?

LLM are sort of a search engine with advanced language substitution features nothing more nothing less.

But people just love their drama, and others feed on dooming prophecies.

As for the lack of ""scientifically proof of faster software using llm""... What a statement! Give me the scientifically proof of why using neovim is faster or using a lsp is faster, or anything a developer uses while building software is """"scientifically faster"""

Chinese is not a global language. And it's not likely to be in the future. It's not the raw number of speakers what makes a global language but the number of non-native speakers.

That being said.

In my country, Spain, it is not taught at any level as mandatory, and not even as an option. Of you want to study chinese you have to go to do as an extracurricular thing.

That seems aimed to create a very closed echo chamber.

I don't know of it's normal but you are not alone.

I don't fit good in my country's culture.

Kilometer/revolutionary french decimal hours

I read that the progress pride flag is copyrighted and some people (or a single person) may be profiting from it.

Several sources seemed coherent with this. That's why I try to keep away from it. And also it seems be mostly used in USA anyway, I haven't seen it much around Europe.

I wish just by having my jellyfin server up media companies would actually get hurt, like fiscally hurt.