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There was no AOL chat bot that could explain why a joke it had never seen before was funny

Let me know when they invent one of those, because they sure as fuck haven't done it yet.

could solve an original variation of a logic puzzle.

This is very mildly interesting, if I had any reason to believe it could do so successfully with any regularity. It would be a fun party trick at a dinner party full of mathematicians.

The fact that you can’t tell the difference reflects

Reflects what, that I never asked it to explain a joke or solve an arbitrary logic puzzle? Why would I have done that? Those are gimmicks. Those are made-up problems, designed only to show off a product that can't solve the problems people actually try to use it for. The tool is completely useless for most users because most users go in expecting it to be useful, it's only "useful" for people who go in looking to invent problems and watch them get solved.

People are using it to write blog posts. The blog posts don't read any better than shitty bot-generated blog posts from a decade ago.

People are using it to write bedtime stories. But we already have bedtime stories, and the LLM stories don't make any sense—hence, why the whole idea is built around "write a story for a child too little to understand what you're saying!" Yeah, perfect. Made-up nonsense can't hurt them.

This whole damn thread is full of examples. People want the Bard integration to do X—and either it can't, or it can, but it's a function it's already done perfectly well, and maybe the bard-integrated solution is just strictly less accurate.

Natural Language Processing is not new. There are new techniques within natural language processing, and some of them are cool and good. Generative LLMs are just not in that category.

The real-life applications of generative AI are pretty much just making bad AI art for NFTs and instagram bot accounts. Maybe in another decade, with a few more large-scale advancements, it'll be able to write a script for a shitty but watchable anime. I've heard that we've gone about as far as we can with LLMs, but I suppose we'll see.

I was using chatbots this convincing back in my AOL Instant Messenger days, tbh. The things they point to as being considered impossible are like, "it can generate a whole story that doesn't make any sense!" So could the old chatbots, there just wasn't any hype around it back then. "They can answer questions in a conversational tone!" So could Google a decade ago, but it was much more accurate back then.

yes, that's my point, serdan is being silly, you're right.

I remember back when they introduced Google now, and how it wasn't that great and slowly started to suck more and more. I have since disabled the Google app on my phone, and don't miss it in the slightest. I have a browser to handle my searches.

Lol, how do you prevent a Google app from phoning home without preventing all Google apps, including GPS, from accessing the internet at all?

disable your internet connection.

that's really it. Lots of apps find lots of ways to call home, and Google, especially, is constantly calling home from Android, so unless you're going to, like... uninstall all but one Google app to test it in a vacuum, and then add other apps one at a time, it's not going to work. Also, that experiment won't work, because we already know that Google Play Services handles most of these shenanigans.

and advertising.

and it's also about the way they pretend that, because they're processing data on device, it's somehow safe from them. No, they're processing data on device to do federated learning (or otherwise use the processed data in ways you still prefer they just not do).

OP also said it used to work.

This is AI black box voodoo. They take something simple, shove it into something complicated, and hope it comes out understanding the simplicity.

it would be trivial to hard code "set a timer for \ " but that doesn't give Google an excuse to spy on people.

generative AI chatbots are not much of an "advance" in technology as much as they are a "popular gimmick" in technology.

"I've barely tried these AI assistants everybody seems so hyped about, but you can up flight and hotel info, and Google has vaguely implied that it'll be able to do more in the future so I'm super excited!"

I mean, couldn't Google Assistant already look up flight and hotel info before? Doesn't the introduction of generative AI just transform that look up from simply scanning email and regurgitating info into a weird black box AI task that's right about 30% of the time but confident all the time?

He pretty much admits he has no idea what generative AI chatbots are, and it really shows from the article.

I feel like a short password is a much bigger security risk.

There are ways to disable the fingerprint scan in the moment. Different phones have different norms around this, but one universal option: pick a finger to not code into your phone. When a cop asks you to unlock your phone, say okay, use that finger five times in a row, oh no, you're locked out, man, this fingerprint reader sure is finnicky, oh well!

I feel like the main reason it's a big deal is the fact that the front-facing fingerprint scanner sucks ass.

You are missing the point, I have defended my thesis with a couple of facts and even provided a link, your point is only based on assumptions and you failed to deliver any verifiable fact.

If the link you presented had anything to do with the paragraph you presented in, I absolutely missed it, can you please draw the connection for me?

I have asked you to provide any verifiable link of convicted IDF soldiers, but you did not.

I missed that.

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/IDF-soldier-convicted-of-killing-Gaza-rioter-606298

That's the first one I could find, I'm busy, what with it being Simchat Torah in the diaspora.

Anything to say about the Jenin refugee camp, do you think using excessive violence there was justifiable?

Well, you begged the question there, and I'm not intimately familiar with the situation, but from what I understand, not particularly, no.

Have you ever wondered why Israel is not a member of the ICC, or which other countries are not part and why?

No. I never cared. I don't know why Israel would subject itself to any kind of international jurisdiction, with the way the international community treats it. Have you seen how obsessed the UN securuity council is with Israel, while it ignores human rights violations everywhere else in the world? Why the fuck would we want to invite more of that?

I just looked it up, Israel stated its reasons, it objects to the language about population transfer: https://press.un.org/en/1998/19980720.l2889.html. I'm sure you have a much more conspiratorial reason in mind?

And I'm familiar with fucking Amnesty International and HRW, I'm not living under a rock.

I mean, what she's describing has kind of happened. But it's not like Americans are coming over and building their own homes at the behest of Israeli chasids. The settlements are being built by greedy land developers, and Netanyahu is turning a blind eye for... well, complex reasons, but ultimately mostly because he's a corrupt dirtbag.

Some people do go to live on hippie kibbutzim.

The British took the colony from the Ottoman Turks—not from any people.

There were Arabs / Muslims in Palestine in the 1800s, but they were mostly centered in a few areas, and very many were there temporarily—making pilgrimage, there on business, etc. Early Zionists settled areas that were yet unsettled, most obviously areas near Jaffa that became Tel Aviv, but also in many rural parts of the country.

Fun fact, the current population of Palestine is about fifteen times what it was (in the entire region) in the 1800s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DemographichistoryofPalestine(region). There is no timeline on which their population went down.

I did not ask you for security. I'm more than satisfied for Israel to defend itself. Your continued attempts to demonize us for doing so are quite sad.

Oh so your point is that Israeli civilian casualties matter more, right?

I don't appreciate the way you're intentionally dodging my point and then intentionally mischaracterizing it.

My point is that Hamas is trying to increase the count of civilian casualties on both sides, and the IDF is trying to decrease civilian casualties on both sides.

You're just counting the victims. Look at the perpetrators for just a second.

Plus the whole fact that Israel is not a member of the ICC speaks volumes about their human rights track record

does it? How so?

Plus it is not like Israeli politicians are not complicit by inciting racial hatred by stating that certain Palestinian villages must be erased.

There are a few Israeli extremists who say shit like this. They're monsters. The vast majority do not speak like this. As opposed to the majority members of the Palestinian Authority. A majority of the PA is literally members of Hamas, truly committed to the deaths all Israelis and all Jews they can get their hands on, as evidenced not only by their charter but by their actions.

Unfortunately, the current majority in Israel is not interested in enforcing rules against expanding settlements. That does suck. But the bulk of the minority—which is likely to take control in the next election, unless this crisis changed things—is very willing to reign in settlements.

If your lies were documented at all, you'd cite a source. Luckily, people can look these things up on Google.

Here's an article from 234 days into the year, from Al Jazeera: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/22/more-than-200-palestinians-nearly-30-israelis-killed-so-far-this-year-un. That number is not limited to children, it's mostly active enemy combatants.

The Israelis murder and kidnap Palestinian children on an almost daily basis.

Lol, you assholes just love the fact that nobody's going to look this up on Google.

Not even close. Total Palestinian deaths this year are around 2-300, by Hamas estimates, and are mostly adults engaged in terrorism, although Hamas refuses to distinguish. That number likely also includes Palestinian victims of friendly fire. Kidnappings are negligible—unless you count arresting a terrorist as kidnnapping. Palestinian children have died, but it's nowhere near daily or even weekly.

please, remind me, are the attacks over yet?

There have been Jews living there through those thousands of years, but if you're referring to the immigration of the late 1800s and early 1900s, most of the land was unsettled, there weren't many people living there at all. As we began to settle the British colony, Turks, Syrians, Jordanians, and other Arabs started to move there. They absolutely do not have more claim to the land than we do.

This would not justify genocide, which is why we are not engaged in genocide.

Israel is the only place we feel safe. We are still not interested in your opinions on our safety.