Democrats refuse to help GOP out of House speaker mess, trashing Jim Jordan as an 'insurrectionist'
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Note, this doesn't work with any other (hypothetical) RCS clients, this is not a part of the RCS standard, it's a feature entirely proprietary to Google Messages.
I use like twelve apps to acommodate the non-Signal users of my life... And Signal is pretty much just a note-to-self app at this point, nobody else uses it.
It's gotten worse than debate in quite a few places. People protest memorial services saying that the murder of civilians was justified. This is some real WBC-level shit.
Ahh so the Iranians are Palestinians now… how would controlling the air space east of Israel prevent Iran, a country west of Israel from dropping bombs? Controlling their airspace is just another way to control the flow of vital goods.
Are you being intentionally obtuse? Iran drops weapons in Gaza. Iran delivers weapons to Gaza. They're not dropping bombs, they're delivering weapons, that's why I said that they were delivering weapons, and not that they were dropping bombs.
Yeah, beheading a baby and airstriking a baby both end with two dead children. Also… what evidence do you have that babies have been decapitated? We’ve seen this or things similar to this be falsely broadcasted to justify war in our lifetime.
I supplied plenty of evidence above.
Hamas targets babies and cuts their heads off point blank.
Hamas fires rockets from a building, Israel targets the building, Israel warns the people in it, and Hamas refuses to evacuate babies, because they know dead babies help draw sympathy and perpetuate the conflict.
These are both tragedies. They are not the same.
Discord isnt just Skype for gaming, it means argument or disagreement. Israel has rejected all other form of argument, and thus there will be violence.
lol, so you said:
It’s foolish to think that there wouldn’t be a violent reaction when Israel has rejected all other forms of discord.
and you meant:
Israel refuses to disagree! It won't engage in conflict! How dare they!
... okay, sure. Uh... yeah, no, I would not expect a violent reaction to a country that refuses to sew the seeds of discord.
Now, if Israel had refused discourse, that might have been a problem, but that's not how it is. (It's also not a justification for raping teens or burning babies bodies or any of the other shit they've done, but you don't seem to care when Hamas does unjustifiable things, so let's put that aside).
Lol, a deal implies two willing parties.
Fine, the Olmert proposal.
The realignment plan was a unilateral border change where Israel attemped to legalize their illegal settlements by claiming they’d disengage from the West Bank.
Olmert proposed a proposed deal to Abbas in 2008. He offered, in a short negotiation in principle, over 93% of the west bank, with land swaps in return, giving East Jerusalem to the Palestinian people, acknowledging it as their capitol.... Israel only wanted a small sliver of the land it already controlled and offered an equal amount of land in return, including East Jerusalem! And peace. That's all they wanted. A few land swaps and peace.
And Abbas didn't go for it because he knew Hamas would not abide it. There is no such thing as peace when Hamas is present.
They could have said that the land swaps only occur after Israel has withdrawn other settlements under such-and-so conditions, they could have cut a deal around that negotiation in principle, but Abbas just couldn't negotiate.
No, I was not talking about a unilateral move. Although if that had happened, the West Bank would be free now.
Yes, and terrifyingly he’s been your PM six times… over a decade and a half of creating the perfect environment for extremism.
I'm American.
You know how he won in 2009? Olmert backed out of Gaza, terrorism spiked, and Netanyahu said "I told you so."
Less occupation, more violence? Yeah, that's a recipe to fuel war hawks.
I don’t think your people are going to look back with any pride for what is going to unfold in the next few months.
No, of course not, they didn't want this to happen. You think they would have looked back with pride if they sat around and did nothing?
I can't do this again, I haven't been getting any work done, getting caught up in internet debates with people who don't want to sympathize with Jews in the first place. I'm going to mute you now. Or block you, because kbin only has one button, and it's really a mute feature, but... I can't keep doing this.
That they were trying to turn anything they could into a weapon to kill civilians… and all they could possibly do is kill 300 in over ten years while taking thousands of civilian casualties. Doesnt really add up to the picture you were trying to paint.
... because of the blockade, and the iron dome, and the IDF in general. I'm sorry Israel is good at defending itself.
... and because Hamas was specifically holding off for this one planned, concerted attack, with missiles saved up, which explains why they didn't join the Islamic Jihad attack or anything.
... and they killed more than 300, you're only counting the Israelis they killed, not the Palestinians they killed. 25% of their rockets land in Gaza, they're not exactly careful aiming them.
It’s almost like the Israeli government doesn’t care what happens to the people in their prison… very perplexing.
It's almost like the Palestinian government doesn't care. Or like they do care, and they want nothing more for them than martyrdom.
Israel continues to give all this aid even though Hamas is controlling its distribution. What would you prefer they do? re-occupy Gaza and deliver aid individually?
You must not read a lot of history… there was once an ethnocentric theocracy by the name of imperial Japan that did some stuff in China a while ago…
I was not aware that they beheaded babies. I'm aware of the conflict, and the rape of Nanking, and the general attrocity and animosity there, but no, I have not read that they beheaded babies, forgive me.
also, do you have any evidence of this actually occurring?
Multiple eyewitness reports reported by multiple reporters + the president of the united states confirming it, but I'm sure you won't be satisfied until you see Hamas post photos to facebook, huh?
Ahh yes, everyone who disagrees with the Israeli state hates Jewish people…
I'm sick of this bullshit. Hamas explicitly calls for the extermination of all Jews in its charter, not just the ones in Israel.
I did not say that everyone who disagrees is an antisemite. I said that the terrorists who openly and proudly hate Jews are antisemites, and the heartless bastards who celebrate that terrorism, who watch on with popcorn while innocent Jewish civilians die are antisemites.
no way people could just want an end to an apartheid state.
Israel is the only state in the middle east with any semblance of equality—with complete equality, until the current Israeli government—based on race or religion, but let's stop and pretend it was an Apartheid state, and let's say that all people want is to end it.
So they see soldiers parading teenage girls in the streets. They see their blood-stained sweatpants, they know she just got raped. They hear that (then) hundreds of Israeli civilians are dead. They see a music festival get massacred.
Do you think they really think this is going to end Israel? Do you really think they're that stupid?
Hamas does not want to end Israel. Hamas wants to kill Jews, provoke war, and maintain its stranglehold over Gaza. Hamas cannot exist with peace. They were afraid the Saudis might try to broker peace, or that the Israelis would vote Netanyahu out, or something might happen to make peace more plausible, and they had to stop that.
All this attack was meant to do is kill Jews and provoke a war. Nobody is stupid enough to think they're about to end Israel.
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I mean that’s just untrue, even accounting for the recent violence Israel has killed many times more civilians than Palestinians.
“According to the United Nations, roughly 6,400 Palestinians and 300 Israelis had been killed in the ongoing conflict since 2008, not counting the recent fatalities”
I'm sorry, did you read the sentence that you're saying is untrue? Because... you didn't address my claim at all.
My man, that’s not the brag you think it is. Allowing people to leave gaza to have their labour exploited isn’t alien to prison systems, nor is administering medical care.
leaving is pretty alien to prison systems. People in prisons are supposed to be locked inside. There are supposed to be guards in there with them 24/7. And prisons don't have borders with multiple countries.
I guess it's like a prison in that a gang runs the place, but unlike a prison in that, in prison, the gang doesn't take control of the food distribution and steal all the concrete that could be used for concrete, and use it instead to build tunnels that they use to murder outside civilians before coming back home to their prison. And the prison gangs usually aren't run by billionaires living in Qatar.
And I've never heard of prisoners beheading babies before. I've never heard of anyone beheading babies before. It's kind of, you know, totally unprecedented.
And I don’t really think many people are too concerned about protecting Hamas, they just don’t want to be witness to a genocide because Israel conflates their actions with all of Palestine.
I've seen a lot of people celebrating these attacks. I've seen people in Manhattan waving swastikas around at a "pro-Palestinian" rally, before Israel's reprisals began. I've seen people in London vandalize Jewish neighborhoods, breaking windows and spraying graffiti. I've seen people in Brooklyn protest a memorial by saying that the violence against civilians was justified. At a memorial service. They couldn't let people mourn? Mia Khalifa's biggest problem with the attack on Israel was that the video was in portrait mode and not landscape, otherwise she was having a blast.
They don't give a shit about Palestinians. They just want to see Jews suffer.
With what Air Force?
With fucking hang gliders, if they can.
It's usually more of an issue of Iran dropping weapons in by air.
That being said, I think the hamas attack was a foreseeable consequence of political blowback.
It's pretty sick to call beheadding babies as "foreseeable," isn't it? Did you actually see that coming, that they would behead babies?
It’s foolish to think that there wouldn’t be a violent reaction when Israel has rejected all other forms of discord.
I think you mean "discourse." I guess you've never heard of the Olmert deal?
Hamas controls the majority of the PA legislature. Abbas didn't accept the Olmert deal because he doesn't have enough political clout to do it.
Hamas, in its charter, explicitly refuses any prospect of negotiation or peace. They explicitly want to destroy every Jew on the face of the earth, not just Israelis.
Israel still comes to the table with Abbas, but it does not have a realistic partner for peace.
Netanyahu is also a dick, though. I really wish Olmert and Abbas figured it out...
That statement by them didn't even mention Hamas.
yes, that's why it was antisemitic. Did you read the comment you're replying to? I pointed that out very specifically.
They blamed the violence exclusively on Israel. Do you want to comment on why they didn't blame the violence on the people doing the violence? Do you see why I might have brought that up?
Your refusal to look at the Palestinian people as anything but a force to be fought against is disturbing
The Palestinian people are people who deserve freedom. Your refusal to condemn their real oppressors is disturbing.
Guess the KBIN users must be antisemites.
I didn't call that user an antisemite, did I?
Guess the literal U.N. must be antisemites.
Why not include the links I shared? The links that literally explained the antisemitic remarks by those UN officials? Do you not want to see how maybe some of the people accused of antisemitism are maybe actually antisemites?
belligerently calling for people to have their lives ruined
That's not something that happened.
while simultaneously justifying the treatment of human beings as something less than.
that's also not something that happened.
I really hope people here aren't stupid enough to believe your lies.
I said that the Harvard students supporting Hamas were antisemitic. I'm not sure how that makes my point about technical norms on lemmy/kbin ironic, do you maybe have a little bit of trouble with the English language? Do you need a grown-up to teach you what the word "irony" means?
it looks a lot more like a dude who never used reddit and doesn't really get how these sorts of forums work, but cool of you to obliterate him in the comments for breaking the norms of a social network with thousands of people on it.
- they found more bodies after the first news update
- hamas killed more people
- people died of their injuries after having been injured
the killing didn't stop just because they published one number, that's not the end of things.
here's a source for the 1200 number. That's deaths so far, that they know about. If the number is higher tomorrow, don't act like it was a lie.
you satisfied?
It's perfectly possible to criticize the Israeli government without being an antisemite. I do it all the time. This statement was not that by a mile.
The statement is antisemitic. The statement says that Israel is entirely to blame for the murder of Israeli civilians. It doesn't express any sympathy for the dead, or the kidnapped, or the raped, or the burned, or the beheaded. It does not identify Hamas as having anything to do with what happened. That sort of rejection of reality is not an accident. It's antisemitism.
Quite disappointing to see kbin users attempt to justify
a military blockade of people who use every weapon they can get to try to kill your civilians, and try to turn every resource they can get into weapons, is not "an open air prison." There are thousands of Gazans entering Israel every day due to Israeli work permits, medical treatments, refuge for gay people in Gaza (who are executed by Hamas). All in all, about 575,000 Gazans exited Gaza in 2022 by land borders, mostly through Israel since Egypt is generally fairly opposed to Gazans coming into Egypt. They won't let refugees into Sinai now.
The heads of Hamas are billionaires and live in Qatar. They take every bit of aid that comes in and use it to perpetuate terrorism. The blockade didn't start until about six years after rocket fire, until after Israel left Gaza. Gaza hasn't been occupied since 2005.
This whole "open air prison" thing is ridiculous. There's border enforcement because they use those borders to kill people. Israel controls their air space because they kill people by air. Israel doesn't like the terror tunnels because the terror tunnels are used to send terrorists in to kill people. If they want to be able to move freely, they should stop killing people in the places they want to move to.
I have a pixel 6. In addition to the occasional missed swipes in general, which are annoying and count for something compared to the 100% instant unlock rate I had with my rear scanner, I feel like if I'm not careful about the exact angle at which I tap my thumb, or the exact position where I center my thumb, it registers wrong. When I hold my phone naturally, my thumb is positioned wrong, it comes in a little too sideways to register. So after I get it wrong a couple of times, I need to carefully hold my phone in an awkward position or bend my thumb in a weird way to make sure I hit the exact right spot at the exact right angle. And then sometimes it's still wrong, so I try to change the position and use a different finger. And with all that effort, I've still gotten locked out of my phone a couple of times.
None of that shit with the rear scanner, it just works, my phone is always unlocked before I see it.
The people of Palestine are not second-class citizens of Israel, they are first-class citizens of Palestine. There is only one level of citizenship in Israel, and all citizens are afforded the full rights of any citizen. Every concession Israel offered the Palestinians was either rejected or used as an opportunity to ramp up terrorism. Look up the Olmert deal. Look up the withdrawal from Gaza. Look up the god damn Peel commission. We've constantly been vying for peace, and we've constantly been made to regret it.
There is no slavery in Israel or Palestine. There is no "a part-time" either. If you're gonna make up antisemitic lies, the least you could do is check your damn speech-to-text.
Fuck you, I hope you don't die, I hope you learn the vile nature of your lies and hate and the ashes they leave on your mouth cause you to grow the fuck up.
so are you still standing by your claim that the attacks are over? should I continue to cite attacks as they happen? or are you going to admit that the attacks are ongoing?
Medical care is compromised by the lack of power. The reason Israel cut off power was not to compromise medical care. The reason Israel cut off power was a military strategy to impede production and firing of rockets. I already pointed that out, but you've been entirely dishonest about it. You'll ignore the point again in your next comment, won't you?
You linked to a live thread, not to a source specific to water. I managed to find one bullet point on that page about a siege that covers water. I don't think siege warfare is generally viewed as a form of reprisal. From what I understand, starvation is generally illegal under most treaties, but requires a "high degree of deprivation.". From what I understand, Gaza is near water, and has access to food and water both internally, via Egypt, via its sea border, etc., etc. So... meh. We'll see if it actually plays out as a starvation tactic, versus a tactic to shut down supply to enemy combatants and rocket manufacturing.
the technology my device uses to communicate with services, including self-hosted services, is known as the internet. local area networks only work in the local area, which frustrates the purpose of a mobile phone—being mobile, and all.
both the server and the client must be connected to the internet to communicate with one another across significant distances.
you're right, this is a textbook problem.
Why would I bother? Why would I want GPT-4 to attempt to explain a joke to me? I'm an adult.
If you care, if you think that's a feature, you can go ahead and ask it to try to explain this, it's a very simple joke, it wouldn't be hard for a human without a sense of humor to explain, so certainly a half-cocked algorithm should be able to manage. But don't bother telling me what happens, I couldn't care less.
Many people tend to use their phones even when they're not at home.
This was literally part of the 2022 PaLM paper and allegedly the thing that had Hinton quit to go ringing alarm bells and by this year we now have multimodal GPT-4 writing out explanations for visual jokes.
I'm sure this paper is very funny, but I don't believe for a second that it successfully explains jokes.
Just because an ostrich sticks its head in the sand doesn’t mean the world outside the hole doesn’t exist.
And in case you don’t know what I mean by that, here’s GPT-4 via Bing’s explanation for the phrase immediately above:
lol, is that what you think jokes are?
it's explaining an idiom. that's all.
I think it's mostly to not have Jordan as speaker, since he's a pretty hardcore extremist, and then to make the Republicans look incompetent, at least until they can find another moderate, fail to elect them, find another moderate, fail to elect them, and then make small concessions to elect the first moderate with the help of a few moderate democrats who just want x y z.