danhakimi @ danhakimi @kbin.social

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what the fuck are you talking about? You're fucking saying Hamas was acting in good faith?

My God, this place.

The IDF isn't putting out photos that are going to cause terror. Wow, big shocker.

Many of the Israeli claims are, conveniently, corroborated by videos Hamas posted, but they still love to turn around and say none of it ever happened.

Israeli civilians crying for the return of their loved ones are not propagandists.

If you don't believe anything anybody says, talking about it seems kind of pointless.

Mia Khalifa wasn’t celebrating it. I actually read what she said

Man keep reading, she was giddy.

it doesn't look "pristine" or "fresh" to me. I don't know why it would be surprising that there aren't dirt or blood stains in them. Most pockets don't get dirt and blood stains all over them in war, some just stay closed. If a soldier has 20 pockets and a bullet goes through one of them, that's usually it, the other 19 are usually safe. Not to mention packs.

The map looks folded up and kinda wrinkled. That makes more than enough sense for a map than "oh yeah, make sure you smear blood and dirt all over it to prove it was taken off a body!"

there's nothing remotely suspicious about this, you people are just desperate to believe what a known terrorist organization tells you.

fun fact, kbin gives you a notification for every comment in the whole chain below you, I've gotten like a hundred notifications today here alone.

Yes, you can dislike both Hamas and Israel. But the above bickering was childish and stupid. machinin wasn't following rapidcreek's reasoning, machinin just decided to butt in an unrelated thread with the same conspiracy theory a dozen other people in this thread are using to deflect from Hamas.

still in tinfoil hat mode...

but it is plausible that he sold them to the Russians

More that he bragged about the info to somebody in Russia who was helping him out with his campaign, and that somebody went to Putin saying "you'll never believe what that idiot showed me." And then Russia thought "hey, that'll distract from all the other shit we do!" Ukraine included, but that's really not the end of it.

For what it's worth, they've been planning the attack for a long time. And Iran was also a big supporter.

"Why did you hit him? I caught you red handed!"

"I didn't hit him."

"Your phone literally says '2:00: hit Bob in the face.'"

"Alright, alright, let's just pretend I hit him. But that doesn't justify what his cousin said about me last week!"

There was an attack on civilians, it targeted children, it killed children, the people who did it are pretending they didn't, the user here is also pretending the attrocities didn't happen, and even they it did, "he started it so nyah."

Aside from all of the things that detracts from the conversation, is there something it adds?

So you're living in the reality where you assume everything the IDF says is false until and including when Hamas releases video confirming it. Hamas shows video of how it victimized civilians, but makes a statement saying it didn't, and your approach to epistemology is still "well, the IDF said it was true, so it's probably false, I'll wait until I've seen more conclusive evidence."

Kbin is exhausting. Fuck, I might have to go back to reddit...

Mia Khalifa is certainly celebrating it.

So is BLM Chicago, and the greater movement doesn't seem to object.

Brooklyn College students held a vigil for the dead; others went to protest the vigil, screaming the whole time that it was "justified."

Londoners vandalized a Jewish neighborhood. Australians are chanting "gas the Jews." New Yorkers at the "pro-Palestinian" marches gleefully waved swastikas.

A group of something like 30 Harvard clubs issued a statement saying Israel was entirely at fault for the attack, didn't mention Hamas at all.

Most of this happened before any reprisals. They're not complaining about reprisals, they're glorifying the violence.

Lots of people are saying it was acceptable, lots of people are celebrating it, and they're not all too subtle about why.

I am not subscribed to that community, I'm based on kbin, I saw this elsewhere.

it seems to have surprised a lot of people here into enough cognitive dissonance to say it's impossible.

I didn't say Hamas was Palestine, I didn't say he said Free Hamas, I didn't say anything about his point except the way he felt the need to inject it on the end of an otherwise complete and practically unrelated point.

yeah nobody gives a shit about keeping secrets secret, you must be new to... reality. of course they're going to bring a map with them—if anybody tried telling them not to, they're dumbasses.

ooh, sick burn, "a person who doesn't like Hamas couldn't possibly be thinking!" yeah, you showed them.

Other officials in their leadership said they were confused about the timing.

The attack was also the 50th anniversary, to the day, of the Yom Kippur war.

they are not ashamed of being terrorists or targeting civilians or teaching schoolchildren to do so. They're quite proud that they've been targeting civilians until they have an English-language interviewer asking them questions on air.

Anybody defending them is a patsy, at best.

It's fascinating that you felt the need to edit your comment because just addressing the facts in the present case wasn't enough. Even though the facts might be true and despicable, you still need to make it clear what side you're on, you can't just say what you think is true.

People are upvoting the denials and distractions here very aggressively, people are jumping at any opportunity to defend Hamas.

It has been suggested that Trump showed off Iron Dome info to Russian nationals. Not much evidence of that, but it would explain a lot.

Nobody suggested anything justified anything, and nobody wants you to make an assumption. Here's hard evidence of the thing you don't believe, and you're trying to distract from it with an unrelated point.

He is an insurrectionist. See his political positions on wikipedia here. It's a well-sourced article. He also opposes

• The ACA
• Research on disinformation
• The Environment, in general
• Abortion, to the point where he said that the 10-year-old girl who got raped and needed to travel to Indiana to get an abortion was lying about it until the police arrested the guy and he confessed.
• Regulating big tech
• Taxes, Spending, pretty broadly
• Same-sex marriage

He's an extremist. They do not have the political power to elect an extremist from their ranks. They need a moderate.