danhakimi @ danhakimi @kbin.social

Hi all. I'm Dan. You can message me on Matrix [@danhakimi](https://kbin.soc

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My position is one I am quite proud of. Again, instead of being a dick, you could try responding to me, as though I were a person. There's nothing hypocritical about my position, I expect all unencrypted services I use to be moderated as well.

Well, presumably the people who control all of the servers and encryption keys and directly profit from the app's users. But whatever, as long as we see fewer scams and fewer terrorists, I'm not picky about who is shutting them up.

Telegram itself is just a piece of software. Telegram's community is wide and varied. Does it need moderation? Yeah probably. Who should be doing the moderating, not just of individual channels but of all the channels? Eh, I don't have a good answer to that.

As long as you agree it should be happening, I appreciate that. I think Telegram should probably worry about it, and keep looking for solutions, but also that people should report the problematic groups and channels they come across, and be aware of the issue just to put a little more PR pressure on them to come up with a solution.

The asshole who wrote the article and stands by it, how dare he argue for his position!

If you have a response to something I said, I'd encourage you to actually make it rather than just being a dick about it.

If you find a pattern of serial killers using a particular set of public restrooms, you might, in fact, want to consider security of some kind at those public restrooms. Maybe cameras near the entrance and a security guard situated in the damn mall would help.

No, my private messages are well-encrypted. But people voluntarily send their private messages to Telegram without e2ee and avail themselves of Telegram's moderation, which they know it does. They just know that their crypto scams are profitable enough given how little of a fuck Telegram gives that they're willing to put up with it. They know that sharing unlimited videos on private servers would cost money, and that money would mean less money to buy weapons with, so why not enjoy unlimited uploads and share them with half a billion people who think "yeah, that's fine."

I'm all for better education, but there will always be people who don't understand the technology, and scammers and extremists will always look for new ways to trick people and radicalize people.

Most of these regulators are just asking the platforms what they're doing to combat extremism, not actively regulating the platforms. Regulators are, by and large, afraid of technology, and afraid that they'll regulate it incorrectly. But by questioning the companies, they can apply pressure to make sure the companies take moderation seriously. The fear of hypothetical regulation and strong negative PR is usually enough to get the companies to at least try to do better. That's a good thing.

And it’s funny how suddenly we are having all these terrorist problems it’s like something else is causing it, but once again solving it probably doesn’t benefit the government.

I have no fucking idea what you're trying to say here.

If terrorists are forced to pay a sysadmin to host a slow, makeshift matrix server in their moms' basement, rather than having free access and unlimited uploads to a global network of 550 million rubes stupid enough to fall for crypto scams, I consider that a win for the world.

If crypto scammers move to some platform nobody's ever heard of, and nobody uses, because it's nothing but crypto scams, I consider that a win for the world.

It's not incoherent to want to make the lives of extremists less convenient. I'm not saying we can or should bother trying to eradicate their access to messaging altogether. I'm saying we should recognize it as a problem and try to address it instead of saying "oh, wow, terrorists use our platform? Cool. Fun. Neat."

According to wikipedia, worldwide servers, HQ in Dubai.

Honestly I doubt even delisting from the play/app stores will stop people from using it, at least on Android.

It would make it much more difficult for scammers to reach victims, and dramatically stem its growth, but that's not really what I'm calling for. I'm mostly just hoping that the world includes these messaging services when thinking about how to address and regulate social media and extremism, rather than excluding them because they misclassify them as not being social networks.

I don't understand people who give a thread this kind of title. "Hey, help me with this thing—" generally, if you want help, you should say, right in the title, what you're asking for help with. Your title was almost as long as your post itself and said nothing.

66% of likely voters in the US either have no idea what they're talking about, or don't want the hostages to be freed.

What color are israeli license plates and what color are the Palestinians license plates?

What color are Delaware license plates and what color are Maryland license plates?

Can they use the same roads?

All Israelis can use the same roads, yes.

Really? Is that what you think Apartheid South Africa was? Laws enforcing a border with a neighboring nation, and cosmetic differences in shit like license plates for different nationalities? Look up what made Apartheid South Africa suck, and then try to find parallels in Israel. As a base matter, South Africa is one country. And as a reminder, nobody refers to South Korea as an apartheid state.

Have you heard of a country that didn't have military court or military tribunals? Can you name such a country? Is the country in the room with us now?

It's not a perfect system, and yes there are racist assholes in the system, but of course Israel doesn't use its intranational civilian courts to try Palestinians in Palestine, that wouldn't make any sense.

Every country has military courts, every country has some racist somewhere in the process, you're going to have to try harder to explain what it is about Israel that makes it so singularly evil.

this thread is about the hospital explosion. I don't know how you got to the middle of this thread without realizing that people were talking about the hospital explosion, or why you felt the need to respond to an nth-level comment about the hospital explosion with criticisms that were not about the hospital explosion,but that's not me putting words in your mouth, that's you getting lost and assuming that the context wasn't relevant to the meanings of the things you said.

But I explicitly addressed the apartheid and genocide lies. Do you have some other kind of point you want to make? Perhaps on-topic this time?

In any case, shouldn’t the Internet be a relatively free place to share and have opinions?

Sure. I draw the line well before crypto scams and Nazi shit and extreme antivax conspiracy theories, though. No, I don't particularly think that we need to protect peoples' "freedom" to use public social media servers with gigabytes of free storage when they're using that "freedom" to upload videos calling for my death on the basis of my ethnicity, and the "freedom" to reach and indoctrinate others on that platform into wanting to kill me too. I don't see why anybody would offer them a platform, and I certainly don't see why any decent person would want to use such a platform. I don't think odyssee has the "freedom" to compel us to want to use it knowing what a shit show it is.

Damn I wonder why people would be biased against an apartheid state participating in ethnic cleansing aka genocide.

I more wonder why people are so willing to believe that a border between nations is a form of apartheid, or that genocide is what it's called when populations skyrocket.

But you'd rather believe an organization that calls for global genocide in its founding charter, proactively forbids any kind of peace, and acts accordingly, huh? You'd rather believe them when they have no evidence? You'd rather believe them when they post videos of themselves massacring civilians and then go on TV the next day saying "we didn't target any civilians, that's just propaganda."

Also i never said anything about any of those specific incidents you are referring to.

this whole thread is about the hospital explosion.

alright. I remember running into a lot of pro-Russia, pro-China, pro-Iran bullshit on lemmy.ml, which is part of the reason I dropped my account there and moved to kbin, but I'm subscribed to a bunch of lemmy.world communities now (and clearly this lemmy.ml community, at least), and... I mean, there are still definitely tankies, particularly on the political communities, but I have mostly been avoiding those communities...

Is it better now? I feel like I'm still running into a lot of tankies...

You don't understand why a breeding ground where nazis can share conspiracy theories with other nazis and also reach susceptible idiots and children with their naziism might not be a good place where we all want to spend a bunch of time?

Fun fact, Element / Matrix have had this covered for ages.