WE ARE MOVING TO LEMMY.WORLD!!
I don't think this is about defederation ...
But to answer your question, I know Beehaw defederated from Blahaj. I can't remember all the reasons, I think Blahaj was considering defederating from them, and they defederated from Blahaj first, claiming Blahaj users were disrupting them (similar claims were being made about Beehaw users on Blahaj).
I think Blahaj defederates from other instances, usually because those instances don't moderate or remove transphobic and queerphobic content. I don't know of any other cases where an instance defederated from Blahaj other than Beehaw, though.
see here: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20937206/12464713
looks like the main "ideological" differences are about what counts as violations and how to deal with them:
a 196 mod said:
sometimes we’ll see people getting banned or comments getting removed for relatively mild takes. We also often disagreed about the severity of the actions, like ban lengths being way too long considering the reason, or people getting banned over something that really should just be a removal.
part of Ada's response:
every post and user I removed was due to queerphobia, transphobia, trolling or spam, issues that broke the instances rules. Some of that bigotry was was implicit rather than explicit, like dog whistles, tone policing etc. Some of it was the “just asking questions” transphobia that pervades most corporate owned social media spaces. ... As moss said, this is ideological differences in how low grade transphobia and queerphobia should be dealt with. moss is ok with community pushback for the low grade stuff rather than moderation, whereas I’ll just remove it.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20937206/12464713
looks like the main differences are about what counts as violations and how to deal with them:
196 mod said:
sometimes we’ll see people getting banned or comments getting removed for relatively mild takes. We also often disagreed about the severity of the actions, like ban lengths being way too long considering the reason, or people getting banned over something that really should just be a removal.
Ada's response:
every post and user I removed was due to queerphobia, transphobia, trolling or spam, issues that broke the instances rules. Some of that bigotry was was implicit rather than explicit, like dog whistles, tone policing etc. Some of it was the “just asking questions” transphobia that pervades most corporate owned social media spaces. ... As moss said, this is ideological differences in how low grade transphobia and queerphobia should be dealt with. moss is ok with community pushback for the low grade stuff rather than moderation, whereas I’ll just remove it.
So it's not as simple as queer acceptance vs not, but rather what counts as a violation and how severely those rules are enforced.
I pretty much agree. It seems more in the spirit of the fediverse to let blahaj 196 to continue with new mods that are more comfortable with the hard line blahaj takes about transphobia, and if the old mods wish to start a new 196 community on .world, there's nothing stopping them.
This is a great question, I wonder if they will answer this.
I agree it sucks, but I also want to resist the the urge to villainize the 196 mods in the absence of information. Maybe they are just being realistic, or maybe they really prefer to have more moderation autonomy to determine what they consider transphobic - it's not clear to me.
I think for people who feel safe on blahaj but aren't guaranteed that safety on .world, it might feel like locking /c/196 on Blahaj and the moderators telling everyone to move to .world is a bit like stealing the community. Maybe /u/not_IO meant that 196 on Blahaj should remain unlocked so 196 can continue to exist on Blahaj, but obviously the question is who will moderate the community if the moderators all leave for .world?
I can only guess that this is about this instance's zero-tolerance policy for transphobia. This means there might be higher standards for removing transphobic content than the mods might be capable of meeting / willing to meet. This is just a guess, though - I would like some clarification as well, esp. since in the absence of clarity it just looks like 196 is moving because they don't want to be vigilant about removing transphobic content, which as nimble pointed out is not a good look. 🤷♀️
EDIT: found the answer
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/20937206/12464713
in response to the question:
Compromise on what? What’s the issue?
The post doesn’t really say anything spesific [sic]
We get this response:
Heavy-handed moderation, mostly. Don’t get me wrong, we do love Ada and appreciate her work, but sometimes we’ll see people getting banned or comments getting removed for relatively mild takes. We also often disagreed about the severity of the actions, like ban lengths being way too long considering the reason, or people getting banned over something that really should just be a removal.
To put it bluntly, (and I mean no disrespect, but) her mod actions often felt very vibes-based. Like her feelings heavily influenced her decisions. We want the rules to be enforced in a more objective fashion.
So we asked her to let us handle 196 if the content in question wasn’t explicitly trans/queerphobic or illegal, etc… She disagreed, and we respect her view, so we brought up the idea of moving and she gave us her blessing.
so tl;dr disagreements about 1. what counts as violations, and 2. the severity of punishment for those violations (where Blahaj admins are perceived as too strict and 196 mods wish to be more lenient).
Not sure what you are talking about, is this about the Buck Angel voice-over, or when she talked about the awkwardness of pronoun circles?
Notice how people are always quick to be suspicious of Chinese food but we don't see the same treatment of all the various "normal" products people regularly consume that contain red dye 3 (like pez, strawberry milk, etc.).
ETA (Edited to Add): see Chinese Restaurant Syndrome, for example:
The controversy about MSG is tied to racial stereotypes against East Asian societies.[25][26][27][28][29] Herein, specifically East Asian cuisine was targeted, whereas the widespread usage of MSG in Western processed food does not generate the same stigma.[30] These kind of perceptions, such as the rhetoric of the so-called Chinese restaurant syndrome, have been attributed to xenophobic or racist biases.[31][32][33][34][35][36]
Food historian Ian Mosby wrote that fear of MSG in Chinese food is part of the United States' long history of viewing the "exotic" cuisine of Asia as dangerous and dirty.
excellent - thank you for the update!
Yes, I'm always worried about being penalized for not navigating the bureaucracy well enough, or for letting things slip through the cracks.
This is what I suspect too, I would expect that they will only come calling when they want you to stop costing them money.
This seems more likely - I am just suspicious about their role - what exactly are they helping coordinate, and what role do they actually play in this "coordination"? Hm, it does sound like I should call back, though ...
Hm, why would they be reaching out like this, is that typical? Is it an attempt to get me to pay for the concierge program?
They claim to be from the health insurance company that I have, which is Anthem BCBS.
I`M DONE 💀
I require updates.
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Sorry can you say more? I am not connecting the dots between my comment and yours. I am only trying to answer blackn1ght's question about what the ideological differences were between 196 mods and the Blahaj admins.