danc4498 @ danc4498 @lemmy.world

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I did want to comment about this YouTube video because I think so many people heard the specific clip she played and literally nothing else and formed their opinion.

I get that hardcore democrats take issue with him saying that the trans athlete issue is an issue of fairness. But I think his opinion represented the majority of Americans right now. So agree or disagree, but this is not a fringe opinion.

Furthermore, she cut off the podcast right after he says “There's also a humility and a grace”. I think it’s important to point out the full quote because he is absolutely not against trans people. He sees them as people and cares about them and their feelings. Charlie Kirk and JK Rowling do not see them as people. This is a difference worth pointing out.

Maybe he would not handle trans athletes exactly the way you want, but he would absolutely try to handle them in a way that is compassionate to them. He talks more about trans students later that I found interesting.

No, so let me step back. Say completely fair on the issue of fairness. I completely agree. So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that.

There's also a humility and a grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression.

And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well. So both things I can hold in my hand. How can we address this issue with the kind of decency that I think, you know, is inherent in you, but not always expressed on the issue?

Charlie Kirk proceeded to ignore this comment. I will say as much as Newsom did not push back as much as I would have, I still ended this podcast recognizing how much Kirk suuuuuuucks. I had no idea who he was before, but I’m glad I have this reference now.

You can disagree with “platforming” all you want, but that still doesn’t make him “not a democrat”. And you can point out a couple areas where he might not agree with many democrats (but not all), but that still doesn’t disqualify him from being a democrat. It just recognizes that the Democratic Party has more variety in beliefs than places like Reddit and Lemmy would want you to believe.

These people that he is talking to don’t need “platforming”. They already have a large enough platform without him. And the fact that democrats lost to Trump this time around should be enough to recognize that their messages are resonating in some way.

And your instinct (as well as mine) is to shut that message down with strong debate and fact checking. The only thing this will accomplish is ending the conversation. Sure, Sam Seder would destroy Steve Bannon, but that’s exactly why they aren’t having that debate. And as a result, we will never hear their message and will never understand what about that message is actually resonating with voters. But the message will continue to resonate nonetheless.

Newsom lets them talk, lightly pushes back or looks for common ground, but does not attempt to invalidate them. As a listener, I gain a better understanding of who these people are and why people are still voting for Trump. I recognize their flaws without needing Newsom to point them out.

I digress… none of this makes me think he is not a democrat. He may disagree with other democrats on some issues, but that’s allowed. That’s why they have debates. You got a list of reasons why Newsom is not a democrat, I’d love to hear it.

Let me say this again, cause you ignored the most important part of my comment.

Can you say specifically what he supports or doesn’t support that makes him “not a democrat”? Or even “not a liberal”?

With that said, I have listened to every episode of his podcast. I find them sometimes interesting and sometimes frustrating, but I have yet to hear him say things that make me doubt he is a democrat. He says things that some democrats disagree with, but democrats do not all share the same opinions.

The purpose of his show, from what I can gather, is to show how you can find common ground with people you disagree with. And you cannot do this by invalidating somebody’s opinions. So he invites people on that suck, ie Charlie Kirk, Steve Bannon, Newt Gingrich, lets them say all the things they want to say with minimal fact checking, then where he can, he will point out the ways their opinions align with democrats. Then forces them to admit the commonality between the two.

I guess I was looking for specifics. Have you listened to the full interviews?

This kind of comment sounds like you’ve only read headlines/internet comments or seen the controversial clips. But can you say specifically what he supports or doesn’t support that makes him not a democrat?

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In what way?

I appreciate that

When you’re hungry, but none of the food in your house is chocolate.

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Trump has probably made enough money off illegal crypto bribes that he can afford to dump musk.

Strike that, reverse it.

Those cars will cost Americans 20% more. And the American car makers will just raise their prices and keep the profits.

Alternative lady panel: scroll, scroll, scroll….

Please no

I just don’t think Wisconsin wanted to deal with Canada at all. Let Michigan deal with it.

Damn, 2 months ago? I must have been in a fight with my wife at the time…

Free food, better healthcare…. I’d refuse it too

Imagine how many of the world’s problems would be solved by now without AI if that were ever the goal of the people in charge.

You can add too much mozzarella and the strings will be infinite. Stilly tasty.

At least he is making these changes based on the recommendation of the scientific community, right? He is basing this off the recommendation of the scientific community, right guys? GUYS? IS HE??!