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That'll be earth-like in 50 years, just give it some time

It's incentivized for him to remain that way, it's what his audience gels with. I feel pretty confident that if you look at the episodes that get the most views, they're gonna be the ones that have the most stupid controversial figures, political candidates, and higher tier celebrities, rather than any episodes where he talks to actual experts about what they know.

It's basically just because he's like, a moronic ape. He is able to kind of, wear the aesthetics of your everyday college dorm bro, who thinks the dark knight is the greatest movie ever made. Or at least, wear the aesthetics of their middling 30 year old, balding, divorced versions, because that movie came out in like 2008, or whatever. You can basically put him in any context, and he's able to function as the same idiot self-insert character. He's the vessel through which they can imagine themselves talking to famous celebrities, academics, comedians, and right wing conspiracy nuts.

the answer to your question is basically that we're just seeing the sort of, crystallized wisdom that anger is a great marketing motivator. musk, rogan, and rowling sell news headlines, not in spite of their brainlet idiot takes, but because of their brainlet idiot takes. people (broadly, also, said disparagingly), don't want to hear from a well-spoken, humanized, smart trans woman who knows what the fuck she's talking about, both because, on a meta level, that works to cut down on the propaganda driven controversy, but also because the things which she might say would not be as controversial as these dickheads.

free market news, and in free markets, everyone tends to race to the bottom, because, given an even playing field, the cheapest possible growth strategies tend to be the ones that win and accumulate mass quicker than the others.

Not commenting on the main things you said, but it's also very likely that america specifically is taking this as an opportunity to test and drain russia's resources in a kind of extended proxy war, so there's really no incentive to make a concerted effort to stop the current state of affairs, in any way. Especially as we're seen as the good guys domestically, you know, it's a pretty easy thing to garner support for.

This. Have no clue where these people are living, probably in proximity to a larger city, but everywhere I've ever lived (mostly smalltown shitsville suburban america), your options are maybe a corner store that has your bare essentials, at an insane markup (mostly, I suspect, in order to exploit people who don't own a car, forgot something on their way to the grocery, whatever. Capitalize on proximity.), or like, a 20 minute drive to the grocery store. 20 minutes both ways, plus the time you spend in the store, and parking, and traffic. That's probably like an hour out of your day, at the least. Probably more, since you're usually getting all your week's worth of groceries at once, since you wanna minmax your time.

Being in a commercial district and not an industrial one, and, being as most people drive their cars everywhere, and everything tends to be spread out to meet parking minimums, you probably don't end up close enough to the grocery store to pick up stuff on your way back from most of the other things you're gonna be doing. It all leads to more dedicated trips where you want to plan out more thoroughly what you're buying and what you're eating through the whole week, there's not a lot of spontaneity there. Even plan out what you're doing for fun, which I think is kind of antithetical to the idea of having fun.

I have never lived in a place where all of this wasn't the case.

Do you believe then that all the work from people here is pointless, and that people are just going to leave Lemmy for the next new shiny thing?

I mean partially, yeah. I dunno.

I think in total I kinda just don't see the migration, for these things, as a big issue. Any sort of, more crystalized or important knowledge, is usually saved on some ancient forum somewhere, or a book, or the internet archive, something to that effect, so realistically we're not losing a whole lot with every migration, except for the kind of, ambient fomo and depression that people tend to have whenever they experience the death of anything, even a kind of shitty internet platform. The death of possibility that it represents.

I mean it's maybe kind of annoying, right, to see this happen repetitively, and for it to be the case that we can never have any "real progress" with any of these applications, right. Everything has to be conceived of as a totally new and independent thing, and nobody can every build on anyone else's work. At the same time, people naturally leap to whatever the next best thing is when these services evaporate, so we usually don't end up losing all that much in terms of technological progression. I'm also not too sure that you can really improve on Discord that much. It already has all your different chatting and video streaming needs, there's not much more you could do without just kinda, turning it into a totally different kind of thing.

I think maybe a more pressing issue, or annoyance, for me, is those actual monopolies which crop up. Shit like youtube, that's probably a bigger problem. They have the total power of a video sharing platform, if anything gets erased from there, it's probably just straight gone, because everyone kind of assumes that the servers are just going to remain free and freely accessible forever. I guess you could always just save your videos, though, but maybe that presents some kind of unsung cost of like, ease of accessibility, right. There's not a great way to sift through all of the millions of hours of video content uploaded every second anyways, so I don't know if it ends up mattering much, most of the time.

In sum I also think it's kind of, misguided to blame the consumer for these sorts of behaviors. They're that way because they've been propagandized too, because their friends all migrate and they are powerless to stop it, etc. The real things at work here are just like, the arbitrary forces of venture capital and the market, and the market regulation that surrounds all of this.

I feel like another good point is that discord servers are generally very easy and low-rent to set up, compared to setting up and properly moderating a technical forum where everything is supposed to be well-organized. Lots of smaller open source projects would have to take away time they'd actually use to develop their tools, in order to set up a forum and keep it running. In those cases, they're better off just using a discord server, and then hosting a quickstart guide or a commonly asked questions thing, and you can put either of those basically anywhere.

There is no way to get out of this cycle unless we start championing open source solutions, even if technically inferior at first.

The reason open source solutions never end up overtaking these stupid services that come out and then commit suicide every 7 years is because they're always technically inferior at first, and oftentimes the open source alternative doesn't even have anything remotely close to the paid service on the roadmap.

Maybe this is because of the issues with scaling up a dev team that's formerly just been driven entirely by people's free time, maybe it's just that the ball never gets rolling to begin with, and only people who are ideologically vested in the idea of open source over even their own efficacy of use are the only people who are going to use these alternatives, who knows. Probably, it's just that venture capital is usually willing to back the private, "presentable" company, over the open source guys, for pretty obvious reasons.

It's just short term interest vs. long term interest. In our current economic layout, the former wins pretty consistently. I'd even go so far as to say that the former wins pretty consistently with most kinds of human planning just generally.

I do not have a good solution to this problem.

Smaller houses tend to be better for this, generally. Cut down on all the stupid useless crap you own that you only use like once every 3 years, it's not worth it to keep it sitting around. Buy and sell everything on craigslist, and rent the rest of what you might need. Maybe look into a storage shed or something, or dedicate a portion of your house to this, a room, something like this. Most people have a garage, I think. Pawn stuff off on everyone around you, call them when you need it, and then that's a good opportunity to socialize. The same goes for "makerspaces" or whatever. Get out of your house more.

Work from the top down, start in an area with your fans, cobwebs, whatever, then work down to the pictures and higher shelves, the windows, lower shelves, tables, then hit your walls and baseboards, and then, after all that's done, do the floors.

Remove clutter and little aesthetic baubles on shelves where dust and hair and crap might accumulate, unless you're actively using the things in that space, or frequently moving stuff around in that area. It also pays to be conscious of how airflow moves throughout your house and how dust settles. It always tends to be the corners, but then corners also tend to be the deadzones where people put things anyways. If you can turn this on it's head, and keep things away from the walls and corners more, that's probably a decent idea, and could also help you open up your house more. If you can't do that, you could look into like, these triangular dust guards they make for the corners of things, especially stairs, though those are mostly for sweeping, and I think dust might end up sticking to them regardless. The best solution for most people is probably just to go in the complete opposite direction, and get some big sealed corner cabinets with actual doors, instead of just having a bunch of open shelves everywhere.

Make sure you always remove your shoes when you come in from outside, and if you're especially dirty, your outerwear. It's easier to clean this all in one location by the door. Cats and dogs and all your other pets also shed a ton which can suck really bad and get on everything. I really like having pets, but god damn it can get pretty nasty. I would probably not do it all over again if I had the choice. Maybe look for breeds that don't shed as much. Or just brush your pets maybe more than daily, that might also help.

Also, invest in a good stick vacuum, don't get one of those huge corded garbage vacuums, or those ones that roll around and have the tube, those also suck and are awful. Also a good spray mop with the bottom that sticks to the cloth pad, and not like a normal stupid mop with a bucket or whatever, because those suck.

Yeah. Do all that, revolve your life around just cleaning and maintaining the shit that you own, and then you can probably get away with like an hour maybe once or twice a week for your whole house. How fulfilling!

Realistically, I just thought it would be slightly better, just because it was a little bit lesser known as a website, and I am consistently longing for older styles of internet engagement. The de-federated nature is nice, sure, but I really don't tend to care about that shit too much. Reddit had their whole api debacle, I'm sure old-reddit getting canned is on the table if not for apparently necessary moderation stuff that's still locked behind it. But I dunno, I still have browser extensions on mobile firefox that send me to a perfect libreddit redirect that works almost every time, so functionally it's sort of identical to what I was already doing, if not more convenient, because I don't have to deal with a reddit app substitute's search engine when I want to find stuff, I can just look it up, click on the link, blam, redirect. Not a big issue. The biggest problem for me with the API shit is that everyone decided to throw a bitch fit and completely delete their posts, so like a quarter of the things saved to this useful compilation of internet knowledge is kinda just gone. Except for unddit, but that shit's probably going to die at some point now that it doesn't serve a non-archival purpose.

With that said, I think I've found lemmy to be basically the exact same as reddit, give or take. It is just as relentlessly annoying as reddit is, and it has less diversity in terms of subject matter, as a whole. There's basically politics, i.e. inevitable "both-sides"-ism and vote shaming, technology stuff, i.e. stuff that is just linux, and like, assorted general posts, which are going to be comprised of either of the former two categories of thing, and gen-x pop culture references. Any other topic that comes up is a complete toss up, and will probably get commented on by a bunch of brainlets who think they know more than they do, but are actually just parroting the super standard talking points, or whatever they learned in high school.

You also get reddit posting habits, where people tend to mostly respond to the lowest effort meme posts, or horrible headlined news articles, rather than well-written posts or longer writeups. You also get that annoying thing where people just reply with sarcastic remarks that only serve their own self-satisfaction, instead of being critical of their own engagement for a half-second. I guess those are mostly just modern internet phenomenon in general, but it doesn't make it any less annoying, for sure.

The problem you will inevitably find with any forum organized around topics is that there's really just not that much to talk about, for most subject matters, so you either prevent communities from forming wholesale, or, more realistically, you just get insular garbage communities where people end up repeating almost the same exact conversations over and over. I think probably the unsung reasons that most old forums died isn't because of centralization, you know, digg and reddit, but it's because they all talked about everything already. Have a post? Oops, someone already asked that question in 2009, here's the thread, should've looked in the catalogue, you should go there, looks like it also never got answered and it's inactive, fuck you have a nice day. Reddit's only addition to that is the ability for people to post le relevant xkcd link, and we kinda already had/have somethingawful for that, for when you want to just talk, more than you wanna actually talk about something specific.

More seriously, I think my biggest problem is just that reddit, and by extension lemmy, kinda breaks the conventional format of the forum, in favor of something that kinda works less well but is more low-rent to engage with. Used to be that you would just browse a bunch of post titles, click on one, and get greeted with likely a huge customized post, maybe a compilation of all the past posts on a topic, maybe a couple links and natively hosted images thrown in there for good measure. Most reddit posts are just like, a single article, or a single video of something stupid happening. That's a major downgrade, imo.

Dropping this cough cough here, because apparently this comments section desperately needs it.

Yeah, I mean, I don't think the two groups are that dissimilar. I think both groups are also probably also fine with voting. I just haven't seen anyone who actually thinks that voting is bad, I think at most I've seen people who think it's a waste of time, or useless, maybe, but it's kind of hard to make a convincing argument, generally, that taking say the, you know, at most like 7-8 hours to vote is a completely unjustifiable waste of time. That'd be a pretty extreme example and I don't expect someone voting in that circumstance would realistically change anything, though, it's more probable that someone could probably vote in like, just around an hour.

My point is more just that these people aren't like, illogical ingrates, I guess. I dunno. I see both sides of this issue, I think people are mostly talking past each other and taking out mutual aggression because they don't really have any other way to feel like they're doing anything politically productive. Like in this thread the most disagreement I've seen is people who are like "Joe Biden isn't ice cream!". That's not really a real disagreement with the core point being made, it's like, a disagreement with the framing of the issue.

My other point, I guess, is that talking about these things in the abstract is a pretty quick way to get everyone pissed off. It sort of, "gets to the heart of the disagreement", right, in terms of, oh, here's where our worldviews diverge, but it doesn't really do any of the work of convincing someone. I think in this case it's a pretty narrow gap, to convince someone, it doesn't seem like there's that big of a divide. Anyone given to like, "Oh joe biden sucks I wish I could vote for someone more left wing" is probably going to mostly agree with everything else you might say.

Instead of like this argument in the abstract, it would probably have a higher success rate to argue about like, the NLRB not sucking right now, or the infrastructure bill and the amtrack stuff, or the student loan forgiveness, stuff like that, actual policies, and then I'd imagine people arguing the opposite would be like "oh well none of that stuff is really extreme at all or as extreme as we wanted", or basically "too little too late", and then, you know, I mean I've never seen anyone do this, but I think at that point you'd just have to like, give them the point of voting to maintain from a backslide, vs revolutionary action which helps actually make progress. Both are somewhat important and also somewhat contextual.

Like this whole thing is just a "dual power" problem, I guess. I dunno, I just find it really grating to like read through thread after thread of this same exact discourse happening when nobody's goals are actually mutually exclusive, you know? It's like neoliberal identity politics taken to the extreme, where everyone identifies as a revolutionary or as a reformist and everyone assumes and argues their own position instead of like just acknowledging their similarities and doing something about their common goals. It gives me serious COINTELPRO handbook vibes.

I thought I remembered pretty definitively during elementary school that there was like, a big red button next to the bus driver, that the kids were supposed to hit in an emergency, while you were supposed to also steer the bus and keep from crashing in the meantime. I could be wrong, though, or that could not be the case on public buses or buses of other types, I dunno.

Also, the buses did infamously have emergency exit doors, so you could always just open the emergency door in the back of the bus and jump out. That's probably the other best option, relative to going over a cliff. Road rash can be pretty severe and bad, and you could get a concussion or snap your neck if you don't know how to do the jump out sideways rolly thing. I dunno though, seems like you could do it probably.

damn, people really can't read, huh?

I’m talking about the ones who are so proud of their principled take of not voting and telling others how that doesn’t change the system and how the actual change happens through other means. And then the other means they are doing are maybe some complaints on social media, which is just lol.

I mean, who are these people, though? I'll take your word for it, but I haven't really seen anyone IRL actually advocating for this as a strategy, and I haven't seen anyone legitimately advocate for it in a meaningful way, like, in a way that actually matters. The most I've seen to that effect is like, protest votes from people in california, which, sure, whatever, doesn't really end up mattering because their district is still going to overwhelmingly be blue. I haven't seen anyone legitimately advocate for just like "nah I don't wanna vote" as a legitimate strategy. The most solid stance I've seen people take is "I dunno if it matters, I would rather talk about local outreach" or whatever whatever.

I also don't understand why the consistent instinct against voter apathy is just like. This, always, it's always like, "oh you need to vote or else we'll all get annihilated by freiza's death ball" or like "you have to vote because not voting is for bitches" type stuff. I have very rarely seen the discussion go from like, this abstract talk to more concrete oh what has joe biden done positively, what might trump do very poorly, type of stuff, much less have I ever seen talk of actual interesting electoral politics about how people should vote, or who's vote matters where, or whatever.

I dunno. It's just annoying, I've seen this argument play in the abstract probably hundreds of time at this point, straight up, no joke, and also in real life. That's only me counting this election season, too, and not the last 3-4 elections where basically the same set of conversations occurred.

Buses tend to have an emergency stop that you're supposed to hit in the event that the driver has like, a heart attack, or something, right?

I mean, let's not disrespect meth users by comparing them to trump voters, meth is the thinking man's drug.

ITT: People really hate elon musk but kind of don't know why, specifically. This tech is outpaced by EEG. This tech is the greatest technological development of all time, but I wish it was under someone else. This guy will die like the monkeys, all the monkeys and pigs died also did you guys hear about this? Did you guys hear?

I think it's a pretty bad demo. As said, EEG is capable of the same thing, intercranial EEG is capable of the same thing, and I'm pretty sure microelectrodes have also already been capable of this for a while. I think generally we've been capable of this sort of stuff since like the 60's or 70's if I'm not mistaken, but nothing ever really comes of it in terms of the commercial market. I think the biggest thing I can think of is probably cochlear implants. I hope somebody corrects me if there's a larger thing that I'm missing there. In any case, this doesn't really show us anything, or provide any real reason for why this is better than your other less invasive alternatives, or even why this is a novel form of BCI. Supposedly this is supposed to be automated, smaller, and cheaper than your alternatives, but it also maybe struggles with differentiating signals, and hasn't shown any major progress towards solving the more major technical hurdles facing the technology as it currently exists. You can't really do a demo based on a solution to both a problem nobody asked for, and you can't do a demo for something which is basically purely for economic and convenience gains. If that's the use-case, it seems like kind of a misunderstanding as to where this technology currently is. BCI, broadly has the potential to do some really cool stuff, but nobody's really solving any of the major bio-compatibility issues. I think you would find more interesting similar work done with wetware and organoids, but those are all in lab settings in highly regulated and normalized environments, so they're still a ways off from consumer use.

Everyone's concerned about computer viruses on these things. I think the main concern is actually regular viruses, no?

You know, as much as I do like this website, I do find it kind of tiring how the top posts tend to just be like. Like this is an NPC meme, you know? This is a chad vs virgin type of meme. This is about a step away from choosing to portray your opposition as a soy wojack. Sometimes I find that kind of funny because of how absurdly idiotic and brainbroken it reveals the creator of the meme to have been, but I dunno, something about the mainstream adoption of this kind of thing is just kind of incredibly depressing. It's like I am seeing the mainstream consciousness break apart in real time.

Can we go back to advice animals and rage comics, guys?