What will your job be, Comrad?
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I'm very happy to see you're curious, and would love to answer your questions. Thank you for being open minded! :)
To get there, Communists think that the working class should take power, political power (that's what they call dictatorship of the proletariat) and control of the means of production. Nowadays, those are both controlled by the capitalist ruling class (directly and indirectly). If the working class controlled the means of production, that means they can operate it for their own needs instead of for profit.
You're probably thinking "well that doesn't explain how it actually happens". You're right. The exact mechanism for the working class reaching power is something I've admittedly studied a lot less, and given their Communists are yet to succeed with that, I imagine the theories there aren't complete.
The essential idea, though, is that the working class needs to become class conscious. In other words, aware of... Basically what we've been talking about. How capitalism is and how the different classes operate within the realm of capitalism. Then, the working class must organize together as a United force, and seek to overthrow the capitalist class.
In an ideal world, this would be pretty easy. Workers are the core of the economy, so workers could simply stop working or just operate their factories as they want.
In reality, things aren't as smooth. There will always be unconvinced workers. There will be police that, if you take over your workplace, they'll violently put you back in your place. This is something we've seen before in history. This is where things could get violent and bloody. The working class must be prepared to fight back.
Please let me know if this answers your question.
Absolutely, and I'll do it with you.
Why would a commune not have electronics? I think they would.
Do whatever fulfills your wants and needs and you're already doing good.
It always pains me how prevalent education systems hinder curiosity and our natural love to learn.
What would I rather, collect garbage, or let garbage pile up in my house?
Probably I'll collect garbage.
And since I'm doing it, might as well do cooperate with a couple members of my community and clean up the whole thing.
Would I rather my house pile in shit or learn plumbing? Probably the latter. And then when my neighbor is having plumbing issues, I'll give 'em a hand.
And not everyone has to do this. My neighbor and I decide he'll take the garbage I'll take the plumbing. Or maybe we both learn both, and just switch.
You seem to forget that these things were born out of a need anyways. There's nothing stopping people from doing what they need to do to fulfill their community's needs.
The idea is that these socioeconomic orders are global. Capitalism today is global. Even if a country today tries to do not-capitalism, it still must engage in the capitalist sphere, doing trade with them, using money system, debt, and producing purely for the purpose of selling. These are aspects of capitalism we stuck with until the global order isn't capitalism.
So communism would not come about unless it is global. In which case the question of "other countries" would not apply. You can assume that for whatever reason, a breakaway bunch decide to revert back to capitalism, but that would not go well. Why? Why would anyone whose needs are fully met and their entire time is only spent doing things for their own interests and community decide "I actually wish I had to give most my time to a capitalist in exchange for money that allows me to buy my needs"? For one, money wouldn't exist in communism, so that part would not even appeal you. Capitalism only has the upper hand because it is already the global system. Once it is overthrown, it is the reverse.
Obviously a society will put guards to deal with lunatics wanting to destroy society for ideological reasons (trying to restore capitalism). It would be in their interest to do so.
I hope I answered your question. Unless your question was "how do we prevent resistance during the revolution / transition"?
That was honestly what I was trying, but I felt myself blindly following tutorials without understanding what any of those components are or doing. And searching individual terms was not good enough. The concepts seem intertwined, and searching the web only gave me surface level explanations that didn't cut it.
There's no utopian vision advocated for by Communist philosophers. They talk exactly about how this would come through. So yes, they speak about it as an achievable and feasible thing.
There's no utopian vision advocated for by Communist philosophers. They talk exactly about how this would come through. So yes, they speak about it as an achievable and feasible thing.
You continue to dive deeper and deeper into this L. You sure you wanna do this?
Even the US, despite its heavy bias, admits how great scientific research in the USSR was.
https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1046&context=powellspeeches
It was not uncovered until much later that this scientific research was in fact a hoax to promote General Motors' business.
This is very easily verified with a web search. I would be happy to guide you to specific sources and readings as well.
You've gotta try reading beyond 6th grade level fiction before judging books on socio-economics.
That's false. There's no state in communism. See Karl Marx or any Communist writer on this.
They are not joking. You can see them continuing here: https://lemm.ee/comment/3563759
And this isn't whataboutism (not that it matters). The first commenter ridiculed socialism by using a hypothetical scenario. The second commenter showed with evidence this hypothetical scenario is actually real under capitalism.
EDIT: based on another commenter, OP's claim isn't even factual.
And it took the US until 1996 (after fall of USSR)? Not to mention that it was capitalism (General Motors) that spread the hoax about leaded gasoline being safe, under the guise of scientific research in 1921.
This is not the gotcha you think it is.
The first commenter is talking a hypothetical scenario of socialism being bad, so the second commenter (the one you responded to) responded with actual example of that same hypothetical scenario happening, but except by a capitalist power (the US). I don't think your response makes sense at all here.
I'm not super familiar. I was blindly fighting iptables with some WireGuard tutorials and also getting into the weeds of container orchestration.
That's a different kind of plumbing than what I was talking about, and I only simplified it for the case of an example. There's nothing preventing people to organize into a complex team of plumbing specialists, just like they would learn advanced engineering or medicine, and build chemical plants and factories or hospitals. Again, it would still be driven by need. If your need drives you to be an individual plumber for suburban homes, it can also drive you to be part of a specialist plumbing team in a large city.