Communist @ communist @lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz

I'm an anarchocommunist, all states are evil.

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What are the crazy steps to make vr work?

This is false. No party must run candidates.

I really don't see why this matters at all. I feel like you're trolling me. I didn't mean must under threat, but must under tradition. Why do you care?

What you need to move this conversation forward is one of the following

1. How delegates are chosen in china, and proof it is unfair
2. Proof that ballots are being stuffed/some form of fraud.
3. Evidence that xi is actually unpopular and didn't fairly win the election.

If you can provide none of the previous i don't know why you're talking to me.

There is no law saying that any party must run candidates or that there must only be two parties.

I never said any such law exists. I don't know what point you're making... another candidate in the running that had no chance to win? Should I care that vermin supreme was also running?

What you really need to demonstrate is that the elections in china are rigged/unfair, that's the only way to really move forward in this conversation.

In order to do that you need one of two pieces of information:

1. How delegates are chosen in china
2. Proof that ballots are being stuffed/some form of fraud.

FDR exists in a two-party state where two parties must run candidates every single time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1944_United_States_presidential_election

Look at the map... they might as well have not run.

Oh, so you mean he’s president for life.

Yeah, in the same way that Franklin D. Roosevelt was, because of his popularity.

I support term limits but this ain't the argument you think it is.

They hold elections regularly in Russia too. Who do you think always gets re-elected every time?

These elections are known to be rigged and you can easily find evidence that they are. I'm asking for evidence like this about China. You seem very confident about this, so, you must have some easily sourced evidence, no?

who runs against you in a one-party state?

??? everyone, because that's how having one party works, everyone is part of the same party. One party doesn't mean one candidate. It's no different than if parties were abolished.

Who would even dare run against Xi?

Why would someone bother running against an extremely popular incumbent?

Term limits being removed doesn't mean they don't hold elections every 5 years... The US didn't even start out with term limits.

...I never claimed they did?? They factually however, did not want fighting between political parties.

China doesn't have presidents for life, they hold elections every five years.

They don't because this is obviously fake...

radio free asia makes shit up all the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BO83Ig-E8E

it gets clicks and they're an easy target so they just say whatever they think will get the most clicks.

China has a one party political system. This means, that there is no opposition. All members that may get elected to any position are picked by the CCP. All elections must adhere to the ruling of the CCP. The ruling of the CCP is part of the Chinese constitution.

How is this different from not allowing political parties at all, which is what the founding fathers of the US wanted, exactly?

I'm not arguing with you because i'm pro-china, I just don't think that argument would land on someone who was pro-china. Furthermore that's not evidence that the elections are rigged, i'm looking for evidence of poll-tampering, y'know, clear signs that the people did not choose which candidate won.

What is the process the CCP uses for choosing these delegates? I can't find any information on that, that would be useful to have, i've been looking around for quite a while, articles have been unhelpful.

This doesn’t sound the slightest like a free democratic election.

Can't this easily be said about the US with the whole electoral college thing?

Communists self-critical all the time.

I said that. You're on the side that they shouldn't be. You're currently begging me not to be self-critical.

they don’t automatically think everything they do is good.

Yeah ofc nobody ever said they were all completely unreasonable, you must've imagined that.

I think you actually need to talk to communists instead of libs before you make this document.

already completely the plan... How am I supposed to make a steelman without cooperation from tankies??

You’re just going off propaganda news articles and third party hearsay.

Really, you know the full scope of the research i'm doing, which i haven't shared with you and have determined this?

There aren’t any actual tankies in this thread so you’re not getting any first-hand information.

Of course there aren't... why would you assume i'm getting all of my information from this thread or even lemmy?? I just wanted one articles primary source from here... you're making so many bizarre assumptions.

It sounds like you’re using self-crit as an excuse to recycle and peddle lib propaganda and nonsense.

How would you know? Can you give me an example of lib propaganda that i've peddled?

Meanwhile, the US is on the verge of fascism.

Yes, that's why i'm preparing documents.

You’re looking for reasons to make people not be communists rather than finding out why people should be.

Completely wrong, i'm looking for reasons to make people be communists despite the fact that tankies exist and make it sound awful.

I gotta say this is all just a ton of weird assumptions on your part that are completely baseless.

to be clear the 95% approval rate has nothing to do with their elections and comes from a harvard study. If anything a study from harvard is likely to be biased against the approval rate being high, no?

Furthermore I have seen no evidence that their elections are rigged, you might have it, that would be very useful for me, could you provide it?

and then engage in a form of anti communism. You give power to our enemies ammunition.

No, tankies do that themselves. I make the distinction that we're not all like them, and that communism isn't just tankiesm. This argument is fundamentally evil, the notion that I shouldn't perform self-critique because i might find legitimate flaws is an incredibly terrible take.

then you would find the good faith ones and try and figure out why they, in good faith, have questionable views, and try to engage politically. Instead you otherize them just like any objectivist bourgeois liberal. And you wonder why I say you stand with libs?

I do wonder. They are others, they don't just have questionable views, they have horrible ones, like the notion that people should be jailed for writing erotica. There's a reason the anarchist-leninist schism happened, leninists/maoists seem to just want objectively horrible things and control over everything. Do you actually think that will reach people? No. We need to self-criticize, we need to change, not all of our views are deserving of merit. We must use self-criticism to get better, and then, and only then, will we actually reach people in a sensible way.

Furthermore, do you think I don't read these good faith discussions on my own? How do you think i'm creating a steel-man exactly without engaging in this exactly?

Maybe I don’t know what you’ve read or whatever, but (for example) a biologist would know if someone who wasn’t a biologist was just like making biology noises, or if they were legit.

Show me an example of a misconception I hold. They would easily be able to do that.

I’m not trying to gatekeep, but this anti tankie behavior is lib behavior, its the same one sided “authoritarianism” that the stalinists believe in, justification for purges.

Criticizing a group is justification for purges... This is exactly why the movement needs self-criticism. If all you can say for why i'm a lib is that i criticize things, then you're the one who has lost sight of the movement, not me. Communists need to improve our theories, if our theories are above question, then we've lost the plot.

When two contradictory sides mirror each other, like positive and negative, they are one thing, thats basic dialectics. You can steelman all you want, a steelman is just a strawman made out of something shiny (and it prob took the owner too long to put together, but just stands there.)

Objectively nonsense. Do you believe steelman arguments don't exist? Steelman arguments are constructed in a way where the party being steelmanned can simply say it isn't a steelman because of X and then you try again... strawmen are deliberate misunderstandings. These have nothing in common other than you say so.

If you want to move past where the tankies are, because you’re stuck with them now, then you have to dump your objectivist worldview.

Self-critique is exactly where theory comes from, y'know. Your opposition to it is actually hilarious, as a communist, self-critique should be the most valuable thing in the world, it's where communist ideology comes from itself.

Sorry but that was a bunch of angry nonsense and you've convinced me that you in fact don't know what you're talking about, you only help the libs when you do this stuff. Stuff like this makes us look awful. Literally nobody is going to become a communist if you say communism is above critique and any critique we do on the movement makes you a lib. People like you prevent people from seeing the truth in communism.

Okay so reading your comments you are clearly very undereducated when it comes to what I would consider basic knowledge of communism. I guess that’s okay, I called myself a communist or a socialist when I was knew nothing too. And to be clear, I woke up in a foul mood, and you seem to have irritated it, so I’m sorry for being an ass.

You don't know what I have and haven't read. Can you show me an area where I misunderstood theory? This just sounds baseless without that.

But communism isn’t something you believe, its something you do, and messing with tankies only helps the liberals.

Messing with tankies? No, correcting the record helps both, communism and self-criticism go hand-in-hand.

You should want to educate others about communism, but you don’t understand it; so your very communist urge to educate is good, but the subject you are concerned with is a liberal bugbear.

You have no idea what i'm concerned about, what my document is like, or my level of education, these are weird guesses. It would be more effective to demonstrate where I have spread a misconception.

But taking this on as a project you are just becoming the dialectical opposite of a “tankie”: a bourgeois liberal, which is 1000x more bloodthirsty and destructive of an ideology.

I can do more than one thing at the same time, i'm pro-communism, part of making communism palatable is rejecting tankiesm.

Because when you fight something without understanding it, you just become its dark reflection, or many times you become the thing you are opposing.

This is exactly why I'm working on creating a steelman.

This is apparent because you keep thinking I’m accusing you of being a tankie, you’re so worried you’ll get confused with them you engage in your own grassroots form of authoritarianism, underwritten by bourgeois liberals.

Yes, I misunderstood you, no, that doesn't logically follow. Tankies are a bad branch of communism, just like anarchomonarchists, they need to be critiqued, because their methods are fundamentally wrong. That isn't anticommunist, refining communism is the most communist thing there is.

There are real Stalinists, and I have disagreements with them (and they can’t stand me) but they at least are trying to move away from liberalism (except when they become liberals per the mechanism described above), whereas your path to “communism” is just moving you closer.

I agree that stalinists trying to move away from liberalism is a good thing, but stalinism is fundamentally broken because of its authoritarian methods.

I stand with Stalinists on picket lines, in meetings, in actions, just as a function of the similar work we are doing.

Same here, that doesn't mean i can't criticize them.

Stalin would have purged my ass, but they stand in actual solidarity with workers. What are you doing writing about “tankies” as your passion project?

Talking about the part where they would've purged you. The fewer stalinists, the better communism looks.

Which is funny since on your beehaw acct you just copy paste the same 3 paragraphs when discussing tankies, so i dont think you actually don’t care about writing or understanding anything.

Ok. Show me what's wrong with what i've said instead of just saying i've said something wrong. You can quote me. It's weird that you'd resort to vague insults and not do this when your intention is "educating"

Yes, I clearly misunderstood your intention, but I am a communist, and it's not like all i'm working on is anti-tankie writing. I understand your concern as a communist on "anti-communist" writing. But I think you're misguided in your beliefs of what I want. You seem to believe criticising communism means that I am pro-liberalism, for some strange reason.

I will never stand next to you with the work you plan to do, because I don’t stand with liberals against the boogeyman

it's weird that you'd say this while turning me into a boogeyman. I don't stand with liberals.

Feel free to look for pro-tankie comments? Why would I look for that, I really want to see your anticommunist comments, where are they? Other than what you wrote above, throwing your lot in with neo-McCarthyism.

If you're going to bother accusing me of something, feel free to find it.

"Let me be clear, I am not a tankie, north korea is an evil, authoritarian state that needs to go down"

^^is literally on the first page of my comments. But you didn't bother reading them, did you? Awfully weird thing to do.

But I sure as hell don’t waste my time with “anti-tankie” documents

ok buddy i don't care what you do in your free time, tankies are extremely bad for a movement i care about and it's a passion project for me. China is not composed of 14 year olds on hexbear calling me a liberal.

I am a communist, so, there aren't any real anticommunist sentiments beyond anti-tankie ones.

I'm an anarchocommunist, not a tankie.

I have never posted a pro-tankie opinion across all my accounts. Feel free to look!

https://lemmy.ml/u/communist

https://beehaw.org/u/communist

Does anyone have a primary source? I'm compiling an anti tankie document and want to steel man it but can't find it in the article.

Tankies don't ever show up in these threads because they know this is indefensible.

That's why we need to start using libre

whenever the following all have happened it will be impossible to stop the year of the linux desktop:

1. wine uses wayland by default without compromise
2. steamos releases
3. color management and hdr are fully supported in wayland.
4. anticheat gets fucked. -- this will probably come last