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I'm an anarchocommunist, all states are evil.

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I don't understand, you'd still have to completely replace the linux kernel for a situation where this matters to occur, no?

and the linux kernel is where 99% of the work is, correct?

“Why do you find it concerning…?” Because with just increasing the user base, greatly benefits this corporation, even though we don’t give a penny for using Fedora. This is why Google flooded schools with “free” Android netbooks and why Microsoft winks at hundreds of millions of pirated Windows… a larger customer base benefits you by suffocating the competition…

This would make sense if redhat had partnerships with hardware vendors and was locking down systems. They've never done that and there's no evidence of a plan to. Furthermore, suffocating the competition when the competition is closed source platforms like what google is doing and microsoft is a good thing. Competition isn't inherently good, competition is good when it does good things. In the case of completely FOSS from the ground up software, there's no benefit to competition, it just means duplication of massive amounts of effort. If fedora started doing something shitty, there is no doubt that it would INSTANTLY be forked by hundreds of users to remove that, there's no way for redhat to create a vendor-lockin situation the same can't be said for windows or chromeos (yes you can technically fork chromeos but they have the software vendor locked on the hardware).

Redhat simply doesn't have that level of control and can't ever, unless they completely change their business model, which would also instantly make them worthless.

In other words, there's no such thing as a redhat user, fedora is just a linux distro without any way of locking the user in to their particular distro. I'd be more worried about ubuntu trying this with snap. I challenge you going down this line of thinking to actually create a scenario where this is a problem that makes strategic sense on their part.

this applies to both open or closed software.

It could, but it doesn't when the software isn't vendor locked and is fully open source.

Red Hat is not just a corporation after money, I am 100% fine with that, it is just one that goes after military contracts therefore lobbies for military causes as a good PR with its buyer.

Again, as a user, how does this matter? Do you not think the military should run FOSS software? If you're anti-military it's not like proprietary software won't work there. I'd rather have the military running foss software than proprietary software personally. Somebody was going to do it anyway, what does it matter?

IBM does the same… and Amazon, HP, etc. Not all American companies are like that, not at all, but these are. Then is the problem how the US, more and more, is relying in sanctions to hurt foreign entities and peoples… this can be not only by forbidding the export of software but also altering its content.

Yes, the US is evil, but I don't see what that has to do with their military running libre software.

ethical, pro-human rights (no getting big checks from US army), etc… I find it concerning.

Why do you find it concerning from the perspective of using the distro? the software is still open source, and it's not like they're benefitting from user-count. Redhat makes its money selling support, if you don't like their business model, simply don't pay them for support, and you get all the benefits and none of the ethical qualms.

KDE’s new distro!). Till, then, most users I think we should still recommend some veteran Debian based and Mint still checks most boxes.

I don't think these ethical fears are grounds enough when completely unsubstantiated to be recommending a distribution that's fundamentally worse for beginners.

Manjaro is possibly the very worst distro of all time, famously this document details a bunch of the incredibly incompetent things they've done:

https://github.com/arindas/manjarno

Really there's just no usecase for manjaro, if you want a simpler arch... use fedora. Manjaro shouldn't exist, to be honest, i have never found a valid usecase for it. Trying to turn arch into a simple distro is a lofty goal created for absolutely no reason and they broke everything along the way repeatedly. If you insist on something arch based, use endeavoros, or just use the arch installer which isn't that hard anymore anyway.

On windows you install things from random websites as the primary method of installing stuff, this means anything can install anything and has installers that can install bonus stuff. This is why windows has so much malware.

On linux, imagine your distro is an app store, ubuntu is an app store, mint is an app store, fedora is an app store. The apps themselves can't manage installation so they can't bundle nonsense with them. you just click install and you get only the thing you wanted and nothing else.

Since your distro curates all the software, as long as you trust your distro, you'll know there's no malware on your computer, because you get all your software from the distro (or flathub but same idea).

That has nothing to do with anything. rust code has nothing to do with the license.

I don't like them moving away from gpl but there were already plenty of non-gpl coreutils clones, so, i'm not sure how much it really matters as long as the linux kernel is still gpl.

I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.

I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite is objectively a better starting place for beginners.

The mere fact that it generates a new system for you on update and lets you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).

How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.

Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.

Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lmde is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.

I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.

Antivirus is completely unnecessary and terrible on windows and linux... and on linux it's uniquely useless. Everything is installed from a centralized repo, antiviruses won't be of any help at all. antiviruses came about because windows let executables just be run easily and simply and used them as the default way of installing software, this was beyond idiotic and the reason that OS became infested with malware. Linux never made that mistake from the start, and so antivirus is unnecessary.

Norton is basically just malware, however.

This isn't really true since it's just a slightly modified atomic fedora. Even if bazzite completely evaporated it wouldn't matter even a little to someone who currently has it installed. They'd just continue getting fedora updates like nothing happened.

And to say fedora isn't battletested/mainstream is insane.

the only differences are minor qol improvements that fedora doesn't have for legal reasons, and steam being installed.

What movie?

I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it's by far the most developed DE that isn't gnome and their... design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.

I don't think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that'll change, but until then, I think bazzite is objectively a better starting place for beginners.

The mere fact that it generates a new system for you on update and lets you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it's better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).

How common is the story of "I was new to linux and completely broke it"? that's not a good user experience for someone who's just starting, it's intimidating, scary, and I just don't think it's the best in the modern era. There's something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.

Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.

Cinnamon doesn't and won't support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don't understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don't want to make major sacrifices, lmde is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn't particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.

Absolutely go with bazzite, I have 15 years of experience and am willing to do unlimited troubleshooting for free if you message me on matrix.

as for why bazzite? it's immutable, which means there's a core set of stuff that is read only and can't be broken, which is massively beneficial for new people and is very up to date, and has the fixes for certain patent related stuff built in (fedora doesn't as do any other american based distros) that make twitch and some other websites work properly out of the box

Even good people do harmful things sometimes, he doesn't even say he's good, he says he's a perfect saint, jfc

Scroll through their mastodon, it's there somewhere, I'll look later if you can't find it

I don't think this is true, they showed up to an event in person... people would've noticed.

Yeah, nobara and bazzite extremely similar, and snapshots are a decent workaround to not having immutability, but immutability is still a significant upgrade.

Although, i'm pretty sure what you're seeing only rolls back the kernel, not all of your modifications, so, you may still be screwed if you mess up. Is this worth worrying about? Probably not. But I see no reason not to just go with bazzite and have slightly more peace of mind in that .01% of situations.

Then i'd recommend the element client in particular.

https://github.com/aaronraimist/element-themes/tree/master/Discord

^^ there's also this!

Element/matrix all the way

if you want something that looks like discord there are themes for the clients, there's even commet.chat for a discord like experience (but they haven't added calls yet)

if you can make an rpm you can install it with rpm-ostree like any other fedora based distro. Immutability doesn't prevent this.