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link to the academic paper refuting it.

seems like an appeal to authority, but i encourage you and anyone interested to look into how LCAs were abused, and how much cottonseed is weighed in the water use and land use of dairy milk, despite cotton being grown for textiles.

your BBC link actually just relies on poore-nemecek 2018, which abuses LCAs and myopically focuses on distilling other studies into discrete metrics without understanding the system holistically. in short, your claim about the environment may be true, but the source that you use to support it is incapable of providing that support.

The soy that's fed to pigs is almost entirely the byproduct of pressing soy for soybean oil. about 85% of the soybean crop is pressed for oil. if we didn't feed the byproduct to livestock, it would just be industrial waste.

your not my doctor

I imagine asian markets dwarf America and europe

can you link any of them?

do you have some evidence for that?

In day to day life, veganism has the single highest impact

I don't know how this can be quantified, but id love to see how you try.

I looked at it. it's not compelling

good luck

you should give a trigger warning when you link gore

do you have a plan to make that happen?

More people are going vegan than ever before as 88 million have went vegan.

it doesn't seem to be effective at reducing or even stopping the growth of the meat industry

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL

comparing slaves to animals is what slavers do.

I will not be kind to those who are animal abusers

most people feel the same way.

Mean consumption is on a downward trend

can you show me some evidence of this?

calling me names is neither an argument nor evidence.

I did watch that video. probably a dozen times. it gets posted often. I shouldn't be expected to debunk an argument that isn't made.

I rewatched* it after I made my comment though, and it does not establish what they claimed. it doesn't cite sources**, and it's primary thesis is "it's complicated"

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i actually listened to it. but just now, after i made this comment, i scrubbed it and i found:

** they do some pretty hard-to-see and also hard-to-research citation in the form of citing academic papers in the bottom right of the screen around the time they are making the claim. and let me tell you, poore-nemecek is the basis of the lca analysis (which i could have guessed), and that lca analysis is flat out bad science. it's certainly not a compelling reason to be vegan.

I'm not watching your YouTube video. if you can't articulate a compelling reason, just say so.

I find it hard to believe that it is the biggest impact a single person can have. can you enumerate the other strategies it is weighed against?

you also aren't supporting your claims about affordability, health, nor ease with anything but anecdotal evidence.

I could be convinced meat production needs to be reduced, and consumption would necessarily follow, but haven't you already tried reducing consumption? it hasn't worked to reduce, or even stop the growth of production:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/meat-production-tonnes?tab=chart&country=~OWID_WRL