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Ah yeah, looks like that page hasn't been updated in 11 months.

I used https://lemmyverse.net/ which looks up-to-date. Has instances and communities :)

But it is by far the biggest, bigger than all others combined.

I can't find any metric which supports that statement. Not even close.

• User count: Just [lemmynsfw.com, lemmy.ml, lemm.ee and sh.itjust.works] combined is already far more
• Weekly active users: Just [lemm.ee, lemmynsfw.com, sh.itjust.works, lemmy.ml, lemmy.dbzer0.com, feddit.org] is more
• Posts: Just [hexbear.net and lemmy.ml] is more
• Comments: Hexbear alone has more.

Direct vs. Indirect harm

I guess that makes Hitler fine, he didn't directly kill many people.

Anonymity relies on other people using the same name. Otherwise you've just got pseudonymity, like me right now.

You can get the same end result with throwaways, but it's a bit more time-taking on most instances since spammers have abused most of the instances without a signup manual approval.

Mussolini called it a merger of the corporation and the state, and he’s the guy who started it

That's not what corporatism is, it's a different meaning of the word "corporation".

You're absolutely correct that fascism is an illiberal capitalist ideology, but Mussolini framed their movement as pro-labour, not pro-capitalist. We must learn to recognize Classical Fascism's class-collaborationist hypothesis as flawed and pro-capitalist, especially since this rhetoric is often echoed in social democracy.

Why is it wrong to promote the things a shitty person makes?

It's FOSS, so using it doesn't give them money. On the other hand, a user might voluntarily donate if they're unaware.

One might claim they're being given a platform in the community by people promoting their product, but on the other hand I hear more loudly that they're toxic, fascist and banned from various places.

Anything else to add?

Absolutely. This kind of media is owned (literally) by big business investors. I know it's obvious but it needs to be said plainly, mass media is the mouthpiece of the rich. It's no coincidence that Musk bought Xitter and Bezos bought Washington Post.

They will only cry alongside us when they're being hurt. They sure didn't care until now.

WOW A BOSS WANTS PEOPLE TPO WORK HARDER?????

To be honest, and it wouldn't work here, but I sometime enjoy the cryptic nature of iceberg memes at the lower ranks. It's like a scavenger hunt.

Oh, am I that far gone?

1. They have never "cheered for genocide". That's not their position. Here are Dessalines' positions on the matter, none of which cheer for anything.
2. Apples and oranges. If being "inhumane" is making arguments online to a small forum, then that's clearly less harmful than the mass propaganda machine of reddit supporting the billionaire class, a group who are willingly starving millions to death, rigging democracies worldwide, causing environmental disaster and trying to bring about a fascistic regime in the US and other countries. It's not as simple as spez "just wanting money" or "being greedy", they are part of the owning class and are at war with the worker class, and they are using their position in mass media to exploit their users and actually help make atrocities happen in real life. "Being greedy" isn't an abstract moral failing, that level of capitalist greed kills people.

This is much worse and "inhumane" than two people having political positions you find disturbing.

Did you forget all the drama about Luigi here on Lemmy? It is no different than reddit.

You probably have that impression because you're on lemmy.world, which is an unusual instance.

lemmy.dbzero.com (that user's instance) and most other instances never had that drama, we can freely cheer the assassin and criticize Brian Thompson for their hand in mass social murder.

Better someone who “just” wants money

The things they did to get that money were actively inhumane to their users, on a mass scale. We can have strong confidence that the Lemmy devs won't, and in fact can't, do the same.

awards that cosmetically work like upvotes in a sense.

Upvotes are mechanical, maybe there's a better comparison. I left reddit before they added awards, but I assume the idea is that someone donates and is then able to add a decorative award to their favorite posts they see, maybe limited to giving one award per day?

It's fun, but on the other hand when I occasionally visit reddit, some posts look like a slot machine with a hundred awards, and even if they don't mechanically push a post higher, it feels a bit pay-to-win for me, because someone with lots of money can put attention-grabbing awards on posts they like. So I'm not sure where I sit on on those kinds of features, because I do believe that it's helpful to reward people who have donated, so long as they don't get an advantage in the community for it.

But why fuck spez but donate to these people? Why not praise spez and fuck these tankies? How are they any better?

spez is a greedy capitalist who ran reddit for profit. It is a business beholden to venture capital and acts accordingly, enclosing their walled-garden with the API bans, flooding with ads, censoring anti-corporate topics on behalf of the owning class (like support for the Brian Thompson assassination, censoring criticism of Elon Musk) and taking over communities they don't like. Lemmy devs are anti-capitalists running this as a non-profit platform through user donations and non-profit support, so they have an active interest to avoid enshittifying the platform. See also: BlueSky starting to kneel to Turkish censorship to avoid losing profitability, as opposed to Mastodon (founded by an anticapitalist).

And before anyone misreads this and brings up lemmy.ml's bans to try and equivocate that as similar censorship; that is a specific instance running their own rules for their own users, just like blahaj.zone will ban people for anti-trans statements and lemmy.world will ban people for celebrating the assassination of Brian Thompson. The Lemmy software which the devs maintain enables you to post here even if you're banned from the communities they run for their own users.

over and over again across multiple accounts with petty bans

Is this ban evasion, or am I misinterpreting?

Genuine Marxism, that is Trotskyism

It's pretty arrogant to declare one form of Leninism to be "genuine Marxism". Leninism and Trotskyism are both variations on Marx's theory, and that's a good thing. There's no point in trying to claim the one true line of purity, that's the stuff I'd expect from Hoxhaists crying "revisionism!"

It’s sad to say, but merely jumping ship from reddit doesn’t ensure that comrades will be safe online. .world and .ee users seem to be reddit-esque but just in a different ilk.

It's no secret that most people on Lemmy came from reddit at some point, and people left reddit for different reasons. The first big waves of users were from piracy subreddits, /r/GenZedong's quarantine (went to Lemmygrad, which became the biggest federated instance at the time) and /r/ChapoTrapHouse (succeeded by Hexbear, the largest instance at the time). So because these groups were large, whole and somewhat outliers to reddit overall, there was only some broader reddit culture carried across.

The next big waves were with the API fiasco and Luigi censorship, which largely went to general-purpose instances like .world and .ee for various reasons. Their move was most likely about disdain with the admins' choices or being forced off the platform, not any opposition to reddit culture in general, so the shift toward reddit-esque community was immediately clear. And while Lemmy has a few design decisions that materially disincentive things like karma-farming, it will take a while, and most likely effort, if we want to counter or improve that culture.

Picking up an AR15 is just a last resort when, literally, all else fails

On the other hand, how late is too late? The later you leave it, the more innocent people might be imprisoned, exiled or killed, so I'd say we're obliged to draw a balance somewhere sooner than literally all else.

Let's consider the rise of the NSDAP (Nazi Party) in Germany - when is the point where that level of physical violence became appropriate? Try picking a specific year or event. Try doing the same with other fascist regimes, like Italy's fascist party.

Using this knowledge, where is the red line with the current US regime? Innocent people are already being repressed, imprisoned and exiled.

When the Nazis came for the communists,

I kept quiet; I wasn't a communist.

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When they came for the trade unionists, I kept quiet;

I wasn't a trade unionist.

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When they locked up the Social Democrats, I kept quiet;

I wasn't a social democrat.

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When they locked up the Jews, I kept quiet;

I wasn't a Jew.

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When they came for me, there was no one left to protest.

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• Translation of Lutherian Pastor Martin Niemöller's famous poem.

The same principle applies for physical resistance. Divide and conquer is an effective strategy and already in the fascist playbook.

Why do LGTBQ+xyz10 always have to make a fuss about everything…

Because the group (collectively) have a history of being systematically killed and lynched for their sexuality, not to mention the rest of the suppression and oppression. So politics and attacks are taken seriously.

It also reminds me all the fuss about THEIR safe game space only THEM are allowed to use…

It's pretty reasonable to create a community where they feel comfortable and kick out all the unconstructive trolling and arguments that people can find in a million other places. Lemmy.ml kicks out racists and other reactionary wastes, so you're in a comparable safe space right now. Do you enjoy the lack of Nazi scum and rabid anti-socialist trolls? I do!

What ever, my point is, if you want to keep Lemmy alive, help out and donate to the creators.

Many of those comrades have already done this, judging by their comments on various instances.

The Zionist Regime is amazingly out of touch. I know on some level they don't care, but even their propaganda targeted at populations of allied countries is bizarre and making their audience second-guess them.