I haven't looked around in five years, but there was some interesting tech tinkering stuff on that diode instance. I'm assume people reuploading their own YouTube channels doesn't count, but there were some quality ones there even back then.
The parts I talked about are more the groundwork of analyzing the here and now, rather than actually talking about it, yes. I was addressing the points about individualism and self-serving 'nature', to point out they were only capable of manifesting through feudalism, capitalism, etc., and aren't some inherent immutable human nature. We know that egalitarian societies have been workable worldwide, it's not some utopian idealist dream.
As for no-one coming up with workable alternatives, yes and no:
There are examples of societies today which are anarchist and/or socialist instead of capitalist such as the Zapatista territories in Mexico (pop. ~300,000). Most of them are smaller pre-industrial societies, so we can't just transplant their society structure into modern cities and expect it to work, but they're still useful examples.
The PRC presents one interesting example of dirigisme. Their state does not (nor claims to) depart from the capitalist mode of production, but it has departed enough from capitalism as-we-know-it due to the unusual power the government has over big business. So while the government has historically had troubles with corruption (which the CIA would exploit to accelerate assets into higher positions, pay-to-win IRL), on the other hand, we see institutional attacks against corrupt billionaires and selfish bosses which are unthinkable to most other capitalist states. Musk, Bezos or Zuckerburg would have to stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody before they maybe go to a special upscale jail or house arrest, while the PRC have given suspended death sentences for extreme financial crimes (like Liu Liange taking millions of dollars in bribes) and notoriously executed multiple billionaires (for murder convictions).
Now, whether that second example is a society that people want, that's obviously a hotly debated topic, but I'd say objectively their system is working (in terms of stability and economic strength) and a modern alternative to our current system (their system is capable of rewarding societal values above self-service)
The point being that nothing is inherently wrong with making individualistic self serving choices except when there is disregard for others
Historically, individualism hasn't been a good survival strategy. I agree that self-interest isn't inherently wrong, although I believe much of the things we consider self-serving are ultimately only sane to do once our basic needs are met, and depending on where you are and who you are, those may be at risk soon. There's a reason why people historically formed tribes and villages to survive, individualism is only possible when you have the privilege of an advanced enough society. The capitalist market system, in fact the market system altogether, couldn't come into existence prior to civilization, where society was strong and safe enough that individual enrichment was a viable survival strategy.
This video makes the point I'm getting at more concretely. Can start at 15:55, when they begin talking about historical materialism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nPVkpWMH9k
(tagging parent commenter @Cryophilia@lemmy.world because this also addresses their reply about people's inherent self-serving)
The earliest exoduses were socialist political communities banned from reddit (particularly /r/chapotraphouse who formed Hexbear, and /r/GenZedong who landed in Lemmygrad). Then, the most recent exodus is related to censorship related to Luigi Mangione, a US political issue, coinciding with a strong sudden re-emergence of global anti-American [government] sentiment due to diplomatic catastrophes with a range of former allies.
So I'm not surprised at all that the default feed is covered in political topics, it's always been a strong topic here and it's just gotten stronger. But there's probably enough activity now that one can filter it out and still have enough action to keep it fun.
lemmy.world might have some rules against endorsing violence, but on most Lemmy instances, I can even tell you I hope all the healthcare CEOs are assassinated the same way. No corporate overlords to appease here!
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